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Re: Vowel question, suggestion?

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Monday, August 6, 2001, 22:48
Muke Tever wrote:

>From: "Roger Mills" <romilly@...> >>...something a little easier, similar to Dutch {ui} [öI] as in "huis",
>>'house, mouse' (it's < Germanic *u: ). Interestingly, this is usually >>Anglicized to /aj/, even by the many folks of Dutch descent up here around >>Holland Mich. Names like Nieuwenhuis, Vandersluis are [n(j)uw@nhajs] >>[vænd@rslais]. (The Rempts are cringing, I'm sure.....) > >Yeah, I know a Kloosterhuis [klu:str=hajs]. I read (somewhere..) that
><ui> was [VH], but I can see how either one would end up as [aj] translated >to English phonemes.
Ah me. (Roger, check dictionary before engaging brain) My vintage 1953 Kramers Woordenboek gives {ui} as (transcribed for email) "o-e ligature plus schwa", but I've also read (and heard) o-e plus [I] or even [i]. These may be generational or dialectal variants-- my exposure to spoken Dutch is minimal. There's an interesting phenomenon known as "mis-phasing of roundness"-- your [VH] vs. my [öI] demonstrates it. Also in Acehnese, one of the final diphthongs is (dictionary) "o@"; but the native speaker in our field methods class pronounced all such words with [@U]. (He also had [T] for "s", but in that case the dictionary mentioned that [T] was a permissible and common variant.) Something else to put in your bag of tricks!