Re: IPA / SAMPA question

Mike Ellis wrote:

> How do I show the difference between the sounds of Spanish r versus rr ?
Is
> it [4] and [r] or is it [r] and [r:] ? I looked at the IPA site with the
> sound samples and 4 sounds more like the Japanese r.
Well, they are usually represented as /r/ and /rr/, both in IPA and SAMPA,
but the actual sounds are:

  /rr/, written either "r" (beginning of word) or "rr" (intervocalic), is
[r], with no phonemic lenght.
  /r/, written "r" intervocalic or in clusters, is [4].
  /r/ in codas, might be a single trilled [r], a flap [4] or a multiple
trilled [rr] acording to dialect.

There is, of course, some dialectal variation, i.e. mountain dialects in
Ecuador and Southern Colombia (Peru?), pronounce /rr/ as [Z] or [z`].

-- Carlos Th