Re: Vowels?

On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Padraic Brown wrote:

> Am 26.01.02, Tristan Alexander McLeay yscrifef:
>
> > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Padraic Brown wrote:
> >
> > > Am 26.01.02, Tristan Alexander McLeay yscrifef:
> > >
> > > > > English is full of syllabic nasal consonants.
> > > >
> > > > Dialects of English are full of syllabic nasal consonants.
> > >
> > > Six of one...
> >
> > Huh?
>
> You both said essentially the same thing.
So where does 'six of one' come from?

> >
> > > > Tristan [tSr\Ist@n] (or, to pick a word that lacks the 's',
> > > > Kryton=[kr\aid/t@n] (d/t meaning either a [t] or a [d]))
> > >
> > > For me, [tRIst&n] and [kRajtOn] (I think). You chose two
> > > marked words, names. They rarely follow the rules precisely
> > > anyway. How about "piston" or "glutton"?
> >
> > Just like the examples I provided before: ["p_hIst@n], [glAt/d@n].
>
> OK. Does your dialect have any syllabic nasals (or other sounds)?
> If this is representative, yours doesn't seem to distinguish
> what for many of us is a reduced syllable in unmarked words. For
> me, [pIstn] and [glV?tn] or [glV??n].
Normally, no. Never [m_=] (or [N_=]). [r\_=] exists as an allophone of
/r\@/ (schwa last), but is not at all common. I can't think of any with
[n_=]. [l_=] will occasionally crop up, but it's normally [@l]. Glottal
stops aren't ever used instead of a /t/.

Tristan

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