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Agreeing with possessives, was: Yet another introduction

From:Vasiliy Chernov <bc_@...>
Date:Wednesday, September 26, 2001, 19:52
On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:51:43 +0400, Pavel Iosad <pavel_iosad@...> wrote:

>> >Yes, with the difference that Hungarian thinks of the possessive in >> >terms of it just being definite, and Tolwd has separate >> conjugations for >> >the definite object and for the possessive object. >> >> Interesting. I thought of a system where 3rd person, inanimate can >> convey such meanings as 'this thing of mine', 'this thing of >> yours', etc. >> It was inspired by an example from some Amerind language. I >> even invented >> a way for such system to emerge. > >Details, please? :-P~~~~~~~~~~~~
A longish story... I was designing a protolanguage for a conlang family. The protolang was to be an a priori conlang (probably, the last a priori thing of mine). It was going to be isolating and quasi-monosyllabic. More exactly, it resembled Khmer: normally a word was one syllable, or one syllable extended with a prefixoid. I wanted a complex system of personal pronouns, so that daughter languages could simplify it in various ways, with seemingly dissimilar sets of pronouns/agreement affixes as the outcome. It thought it would look dull if I postulate over two dozens of unrelated pronominal roots. So I designed only a few basic roots and decided that combinations of two roots can contract, with first root remaining as the prefixoid, to produce meanings like 'he, with me', 'I, with you', etc. Such contracted forms would supply me with prototypes for dual, inclusive/exclusive, etc. Now, I noticed that I can also utilize forms like 'I, with it' or 'It, (which is) with me'. One of the ideas was that some daughter languages would adopt such forms as agreement affixes referring both to a noun and its possessor, in sentences like: It wasn't my cat that spoiled your carpet. It (my cat, has been lying on my sofa all day. Another way to utilize them was to refer to instrumental actants, but I haven't explored this idea in depth. Basilius