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Thagojian 3B notes

From:Paul Bennett <paul-bennett@...>
Date:Friday, December 1, 2006, 23:37
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does not mean it has switched to rich text without telling me. I apologise
in advance if so.

Please also excuse the disorganized form of these notes. I'm literally
"riffing" / "thinking aloud", and if I don't get it written down somewhere
moderately concrete, I'll probably either discard or forget it -- I have
about 70 documents on my hard drive right now containing "Thagojian" in
the filename. Some of them are even compatible with eachother!

Until I have a new name, I'm going with the modifier 3B for the
Turkic/Slavic/Uralic influenced IElang, and 3A for the
Akkadian/Coptic/Hebrew one, reflecting the fact that the "A" language
reflects more aspects of the original design goal. That said, I'm mostly
concentrating on 3B at the moment, because it's new and therefore more

After some deliberations, I came to roughly the following orthographies
for the core sound set of 3B. This is subject to dramatic change -- it's a
small part of what at this stage is Thagojian 3B v0.0.1, and is probably
going to be added to significantly.

Note the use of Greek {omega} for Cyrillic {omega}, and Latin |v| for
Cyrillic {izhitsa}. Both of these are modern-era (XVIII or later, I guess)
compromises due to the greater typographic availability of both characters.

(Cyrillic Order)
Аа Бб Гг Дд Ее Ƣƣ Ии Йй Кк Лл Ӆӆ Мм Нн Ӊӊ Оо Өө
Пп Рр Ҏҏ Rʀ Сс Тт Уу Ўў Фф
Хх Ҳҳ Шш Ъъ Ыы Iı Vv Ωω
Aa Bb Gg Dd Ee Ğğ İi Yy Kk Ll Łł Mm Nn Ññ Oo Öö Pp Rr Ṛṛ Řř Ss Tt Uu Ww Ff
Xx Hh Šš ʼ   Ǝə Iı Üü Åå
/a b  g  d  e  G  i  j  k  l  K  m  n  N  o  2  p  4  4` r\ s  t  u  w  f
x  h  S  ?   @  i\ y  Q/

(Latin Order)
Aa Åå Bb Dd Ee Ǝə Ff Gg Ğğ Hh Iı İi Kk Ll Łł Mm Nn Ññ Oo Öö Pp Rr Ṛṛ Řř Ss
Tt Uu Üü Ww Xx Yy Šš ʼ
Аа Ωω Бб Дд Ее Ыы Фф Гг Ƣƣ Ҳҳ Iı Ии Кк Лл Ӆӆ Мм Нн
Ӊӊ Оо Өө Пп Рр Ҏҏ Rʀ Сс
Тт Уу Vv Ўў Хх Йй Шш Ъъ
/a Q  b  d  e  @  f  g  G  h  i\ i  k  l  K  m  n  N  o  2  p  4  4` r\ s
t  u  y  w  x  j  S  ?/

Don't even *start* to ask about asciification yet, btw.

I'm thinking about rationalizing and unifying the character order, at
least somewhat. Ideas include putting /i/, /i\/ and /j/ in a contiguous
block in both alphabets, putting /g/ and /G/ next to eachother (possibly
always followed by /h/), and putting /Q/, /y/, /2/ at the end (maybe with
a change of order?).

Hopefully, you can read these rules ...

C/?/ > C[_>]
C/h/ > C[_h]

... i.e. /?/ and /h/ become ejectivity and aspiration respectively when
immediately following a consonant (if possible for that consonant). A
similar rule is that written Stop + Homorganic Fricative becomes a
phone(m|t)ic affricate.

/?/ and /h/ are likely to end up prohibited from occuring in the same word.

The groups of vowels for harmony purposes are /i y e 2 a/ vs /y u 2 o Q/
vs /e 2 o a Q/, plus /i\ @/ as neutral with suitable allophones for each
harmony group.

I think I shall have the "tail" considered a diacritic in the Cyrillic
form, and I'm almost certainly going to make the breve a purely diacritic
device, giving the marginally smaller and more manageable Аа Бб Гг Дд Ее
Ƣƣ Ии Кк Лл Мм Нн Оо Өө Пп Рр Rʀ Сс Тт Уу Фф Хх Шш
Ъъ Ыы Iı Vv Ωω.

I'm going to have to get a handle on the breve/caron use in the Latin
form. I think I shall go for carons all round, also on N.

I may make |ğ| into /R/ ~ /X/ (fricatives will probably have +v and -v

Coming (more or less) soon:

Jaŋalif, UTA, and Arabic orthographies, and maybe a brush with Turkic


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