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Re: Phonetics vs. Phonemics (was: apparently bizarre 'A's)

From:Dirk Elzinga <dirk.elzinga@...>
Date:Friday, February 24, 2006, 16:22
On 2/24/06, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:
> Quoting John Vertical <johnvertical@...>: > > > >As to phonetic symbology, you're right that I overstated the > > >precision. Each symbol covers a spectrum of similar sounds. But the > > >difference between phonetics and phonemics is that in the latter case > > >the sounds represented by a single symbol are identified by their > > >equivalence within a given language, and need not even be phonetically > > >similar at all. > > > > >Mark J. Reed < markjreed@...> > > > > That reminds me - what's the most different allophones of a single phoneme > > you know of (either qualitively or quantitively)? > > An Argentinian I met some years ago appeared to have [h] and [C] in free > variation as the realization of /x/ before front vowels. Can anyone familiar > with Argentinian Spanish say whether that's normal down there, or just was some > idiosyncrasy of his? > > I also seem to recall hearing of a language where /k/ had a [G] allophone > between vowels, which, while easy to imaging diachronically, is a pretty stark > difference synchronically.
Perhaps you recall reading one of my earlier posts on Shoshoni; it has just this kind of allophony. The voiceless stops /p, t, ts, k, k_w/ (/ts/ is a stop phonologically in Shoshoni) all have voiced continuant allophones intervocalically. Thus: /papi/ [paBi] 'older brother' /ata/ [a4a] 'mother's brother; man's sisters' child' /motson/ [mozo] 'facial hair; beard' /kaku/ [kaGu] 'mother's father; daugher's son' /j1k_wi/ [j1G_wi] 'say something:SG.SUBJ' This is a productive phonological rule that applies across morpheme boundaries as well. For example, the sentence 'I saw the horse' /n1 puNkui puikka/ is realized [n1 BuNgu Buikka_0] (Obviously a couple of other things are going on as well.) Dirk -- Gmail Warning: Watch the reply-to!


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