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Re: Phonetics vs. Phonemics (was: apparently bizarre 'A's)

From:Dirk Elzinga <dirk.elzinga@...>
Date:Friday, February 24, 2006, 23:22
That's right; I remember Ray mentioning Tamil and Shoshoni having
similar processes, right down to the gemination and post-nasal
voicing. Shoshoni also has a more opaque process whereby /h/ and a
voiceless stop merge to a voiceless fricative.


On 2/24/06, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote:
> Dirk Elzinga skrev: > > On 2/24/06, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote: > > >>I also seem to recall hearing of a language where /k/ had a [G] allophone > >>between vowels, which, while easy to imaging diachronically, is a pretty stark > >>difference synchronically. > > > > > > Perhaps you recall reading one of my earlier posts on Shoshoni; it has > > just this kind of allophony. > > One rather well-known language which has this allophony > is Tamil. /k/ is [k] word initially and in gemination, > [g] after /n/ (which becomes [N] in this position) and > [G] when ungeminated between vowels. Obviously it is > nonsense to speak of a main allophone -- what we have is > a velar obstruent phoneme with different realizations in > different positions. Other obstruents in Tamil have > similar allophony. > > -- > /BP 8^)> > -- > Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch at melroch dot se > > "Maybe" is a strange word. When mum or dad says it > it means "yes", but when my big brothers say it it > means "no"! > > (Philip Jonsson jr, age 7) >
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