Re: Civilization without fire

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, abrigon wrote:

>I know from a discussion on another list, forget which one. It is
>possible to have civilization without fire. Chemical reactions.
>Such as life can exist without the suns direct influences, namely
>no photosyntheis.. Volcanic vents on the ocean flour allows life
>to exist there some miles below the sea.
I think we'll find that life exists just about everywhere on or _in_
the earth.  I read a recent article about microbes that were found
_in_ rock fissures and the like which were excavated out of the
bottoms of South African gold mines.  Certainly no photosynthesis
there either.

If Mars ever had life, I'd bet it still does and plenty of it.  I
think I'd even not be surprised if the Moon were found to be not
utterly barren.

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>I know one life forms that we worked on was one for a possible
>Europa life, namely one that was from an ocean where the surface
>is directly or nearly directly in contact with space (some
>atmosphere possible).. And the surface is a thick ice coat..
>
>The end up creature was something like an octopus or like. Since
>Octopuses are some of the most intelligent animals in the seas.
>And the civilization they had did not use fire for obvious
>reasons..
Could they make use of volcanic vents or other hot spots? :)

Padraic.

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>Mike
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