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Re: Imperial and Cherani Trade Speech Consonants and X-SAMPA

From:Elyse Grasso <emgrasso@...>
Date:Wednesday, February 12, 2003, 18:10
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:37 am, Tristan wrote:
> Elyse Grasso wrote: > > r, l, w, y: rabbit, letter, wet, yellow. I'm sure they are on the
> > somewhere... > > /r\/ (alveolar or retroflex approximate), /l/ (alveolar or dental > lateral approximate), /w/ and /j/ (palatal approximate). w isn't in
> pulmonic consonants chart with the rest of them, being a labio-velar > approximate (there's no labio-velar column). It sits with a bunch of > other stuff somewhere else. >
> > > ll and rr are front and back trills rather than flaps. > > For the rr, do you mean sort of like the French r? Then it'd be an > uvular trill /R\/. > > > ll is sort of Welsh-sounding. > > Can't help you there, sorry. > > Tristan. > >
Thanks for the r, l, and w. I did some googling.... Welsh ll is X-SAMPA /K/. But I suspect I want the voiced version /K\/, which is apparently found in Zulu. (The people creating X-SAMPA were obviously running out of letters...'K'?) /R\/ is probably as close as a human is going to get to a Shayanan rr. Is the y in yellow really /j/? Palatal seemed too far back when I was originally looking at the charts. I need to get the sound files working or buy the IPA CD, I guess. -- Elyse Grasso