Re: Nur-ellen universes

Am 08/27 01:18  J?rg Rhiemeier yscrifef:

> Thank you for "officially" adopting my language into your universe!
>
You're welcome.


> So I would say that if Nur-ellen is actually a spoken language *there*,
> its speakers are probably *not* called something like _lla ffefil deg_.
> That there is indeed a connection between the fairy tradition and the
> Nur-ellen speaking people, is rather something to be discovered by
> scholars studying the origins of Celtic and Germanic mythology, than
> something the average Brithenig speaker is aware of.  The term used in
> Brithenig is more likely to be one derived from what the Elves ("Elf"
> here simply meaning "one of the pre-Celtic people who speak Nur-ellen")
> call themselves.
>
Accepted.  _Lla ffefil deg_ is a calque of Welsh Tylwyth Teg, the only
fairy or elf name I have found that I could adopt into Brithenig to my
satisfaction.  It appears that in this late Age Eldar analogies are very
rare in popular belief.  As yet I have not adopted a word that describes
Tolkienian Elves.  And I agree, Beaker Folk descendents or Nur-ellen
speakers should not be described as 'fairies, Fair Family, etc.'

> Of course, Nur-ellen *there* will differ from Nur-ellen *here*.
> For example, *here* it has borrowed quite a number of words for nasty,
> detestable things from German during WWII and later.  The Elves love
> naming things, but they refuse to name things which, in their opinion,
> should never have existed.
> Instead, they borrow words from other languages for them.  During WWII,
> they developed the tradition of borrowing words for especially evil
> things from what was the Black Speech of that time, i.e. German.  So, we
> find the following German words in Nur-ellen:
>
> atombomb "atomic bomb", lager "concentration camp", katset "ibid.",
> natsi "Nazi", kernkraftverk "nuclear power station", brenshtab "nuclear
> fuel rod",
> and quite a number of others.
>
> The language has also borrowed from English, Welsh, Irish and other
> languages.
> Nur-ellen *there* certainly has a different set of borrowings, including
> many from Brithenig.  How parallel is the history of continental Europe
> *there*?  Was there a Nazi Germany, for instance?
>
There were 'Great Wars' in Europe in the Brithenig time-line, at least
two.  The history of these events have not yet been ascertained.

- andrew.
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Andrew Smith, Intheologus                       hobbit@earthlight.co.nz

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