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Re: Mixed person plurals

From:Simon Clarkstone <simon.clarkstone@...>
Date:Friday, July 22, 2005, 15:59
On 7/9/05, tomhchappell <tomhchappell@...> wrote:
> Hello, John. > --- In, John Vertical <johnvertical@H...> > > wrote: > > [snip] > > Also, the Speedtalk thread has given me the idea of > > "ordered variables"; in > > a large crowd, instead of proper names, > > ordinal affixes could be added to > > pronouns in order to refer to 3rd person #2, > > not 3rd person #1 or #33. How > > the numbers would initially be defined seems > > still a little hazy, tho. If it > > were simply in the order in which > > each person was first mentioned (you start > > from 3rd#1, the next 3rd person you'll need > > to refer to is #2 etc.) the > > discussion would not be understandable by > > someone who had not followed it > > since the beginning. > > Wait, scratch that - using the names *themselves* > > as the affixes would > > actually be a lot more efficient. > > Or, since names tend to not inflect much, > > and can be quite long, maybe such a case would be better > > analyzed/constructed as affix versions of personal pronouns > > (more on which > > below) added to the names. > > > > I pulled the last paragraph straight out of my head, > > but I'm almost sure > > there's a natlang somewhere which does just that... > > About your "ordinal affixes" idea; > Here is a quote from > > where a similar goal is accomplished; > > The names of the letters are: af, bet, ce, del, ep, foy, gam, hac, > ic, jey, kap, lam, mim, nan, om, pi, qa, ro, sig, taw, up, vay, waw, > xin, yot, zed > They are used as names of letters, of course, and (since a trend > began in the late 20th century) they are also used as anaphora, i. e. > as pronouns that refer back to the last word that begins with that > particular letter. Example: Me donis karno ad la leono. Lam manjis > kap. (usually just written as "L manjis k.") > > Of course, Texperanto is not a natlang, but...
Lojban can do something similar to the above, IIRC, but the chapter on their equivalent of pronouns is too long for me to find where it is explained: BTW, one of my langs-that-I-will-never-really-start will have a system similar to the tab-completion used in all modern (and some 30-year-old) CLIs. The one speaker will insert a symbol that asks the listener(s) to try completions whilst they continue speaking, then sends a confirmatory message when the listener suggests the correct one (usually first time). I would put together an example, but I have no vocab and very little grammar.