Re: TRANS: a child's exercise

FFlores wrote:
> Nian   measmev=E4s      askiemth  =FCs     detel s=E4n=FCat.
> 1p-PSS fish-catch.GEN boats.DIM inside one   go.1p-PST
> 'We went in one of our fishing boats.'
>=20
>         measmev=E4s =3D meav- 'fish', -es- GEN, mev- 'take, catch',
>         -as verbal noun, -es GEN (collapsing -as-es > -=E4s).
Question: why is it not "meavesmev=E4s"?  Is there a rule that drops the
{v} from meav- and the {e} of -es in that form?

> na rros=FCr  g=F3kononeq       b=FCtth  rremanth.
> to sea.LOC throw.DUP.3pPST 3p.REL nets.ACC
> 'who kept throwing nets into the sea.'
Interesting.  So, this "DUP" means "repeated action"?

>         This pattern, _i_ + concrete noun + _g=FCften_ 'to do, to make'
>         is *extremely* common (and useful!), since the Dr=E1selhadh don=
't
>         really like to create verb stems from nouns.
Cool.  Same with Colloquial Watakass=ED, which has a lot of verbal phrase=
s
of the type "make" or "give" plus noun.  In later times, those verbs
evolved into suffixes.

>         Tolkien fans: I *swear* _sauron_ 'shadow maker' wasn't
>         created on purpose!
Hmm, had you read Tolkien before creating that word?  Perhaps it was an
unconcious derivation?  Presumably, based on your interlinear, based on
a word for "shadow"?

> tadh na  rr=E9mathes renhadh farth=FC=E1q        i sauron.
> but  for nets.GEN  men.GRP NEG.exist.3pPST * shadow.AGT
> 'but there was no shadow-maker for the men of the nets.'
What's the GRP mean?  Is it a collective suffix (as in "group"?)

>         _maqas_ means both 'shelter' and 'harbor' in a general sense.
>         A concrete 'harbor' would be _maq_.
What, then, does -as mean?

> So, what do you think? Did I pass? ;)
Very nice story.  I'll try to do a translation of it.

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