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Re: Weekly Vocab 8

From:Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>
Date:Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 5:17
Christophe Grandsire wrote:
> Do we know what particle Japanese used to mark the subject before ga became > the norm? Or was Japanese so different at that time that it didn't have > such a particle?
There was no nominative particle in Old Japanese. There was also no simple accusative particle, (w)o being an interjectional particle with a number of uses, which apparently included (optional) accusative marking. It's fairly complex, but an interesting snip from The Languages of Japan: "In the reading of materials written in imitation of Chinese syntax, word order was inverted so that the actual reading would follow Japanese syntax, and in the process, relation-indicating particles were supplied so as to make the material easier to comprehend. In this Sinico-Japanese reading tradition, o was regularly employed to mark the direct object. Indeed, it is quite reasonable to assume that this use of o in fact had by far the strongest effect in the spread of the object-marking o". It also noted that the gramaticalization of ga and no as nominative particles may have also helped the spread of o. Incidentally, in earlier periods, _no_ could also be used to mark the subject of an independent clause, with a semantic difference, _no_ generally showing greater respect towards the marked noun than _ga_. But, eventually, ga finally displaced no as the sole nominative marker for independent clauses in the standard dialect. Incidentally, there are some dialects in Kyuushuu that still use both _ga_ and _no_ as nominative particles, with the difference of respect, and some that have come to use _no_ as the sole nominative marker (for independent clauses) with _ga_ as the attributive/genetive particle (i.e., the same as _no_ in the standard dialect!) -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42

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