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Re: GROUPLANG: cases (was: noun and verb roots)

From:Pablo Flores <fflores@...>
Date:Saturday, October 17, 1998, 3:12
Nik Taylor wrote:

>Pablo Flores wrote: >> If you remember well, we don't distinguish verbs from nouns. >> By predicate-case-marking a root, you transform it into a "verb". >> The possible confusions here are avoided if you gloss a word >> with all of its possible meanings according the case. > >This whole thing is becoming too logical for me, too much like NGL or >loglan. I thought that we were aiming for a naturalistic lang?
We are. I've seen this thing getting too logical too, but I think it's necessary. When I make a conlang, I start by drawing a structure that is completely symmetrical and quite logical. *Then* when I've gained some perspective and I'm more at loose, I begin twisting little things here and here, adding irregularities, using features for functions they didn't originally had, etc. Anyway, you're right about it: it's too logical. But we can't go and get our hands dirty until we've set for some basic features, like the case system and the screeve elements. I personally think the case system makes things too much logical if you have to think carefully which case to attach to a certain word, which is the case :( for me so far. --Pablo Flores begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A$#`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8`/ $```$````,`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````4@`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````$-O;G-T<G5C=&5D($QA;F=U86=E<R!, M:7-T`%--5% `0T].3$%.1T!"4D]73E9-+D)23U=.+D5$50```!X``C !```` M!0```%--5% `````'@`#, $````:````0T].3$%.1T!"4D]73E9-+D)23U=. M+D5$50````,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!T````G0V]N<W1R=6-T M960@3&%N9W5A9V5S($QI<W0G``````(!"S !````'P```%--5% Z0T].3$%. M1T!"4D]73E9-+D)23U=.+D5$50```P``.0`````+`$ Z`0````(!]@\!```` M! ````````*1.0$$@ $`, ```%)%.B!'4D]54$Q!3D<Z(&-A<V5S("AW87,Z M(&YO=6X@86YD('9E<F(@<F]O=',I`%@/`06 `P`.````S@<*`!$````,``0` M!@`&`0$@@ ,`#@```,X'"@`1````!0`,``8`!P$!"8 !`"$````W0C Q14%$ M.#1#-C5$,C$Q.4,R030T-#4U,S4T,# P, #G!@$#D 8`$ 8``!0````+`",` M``````,`)@``````"P`I```````#`"X```````,`-@``````0 `Y`*!3;^I[ M^;T!'@!P``$````P````4D4Z($=23U503$%.1SH@8V%S97,@*'=A<SH@;F]U M;B!A;F0@=F5R8B!R;V]T<RD``@%Q``$````6`````;WY>^IGV.H!?&5,$=*< M*D1%4U0`````'@`># $````%````4TU44 `````>`!\,`0```!L```!F9FQO M<F5S0'1A=2YW86UA;FDN87!C+F]R9P```P`&$ N,WP8#``<0IP,``!X`"! ! M````90```$Y)2U1!64Q/4E=23U1%.E!!0DQ/1DQ/4D535U)/5$4Z24993U52 M14U%34)%4E=%3$PL5T5$3TY41$E35$E.1U5)4TA615)"4T923TU.3U5.4T)9 M4%)%1$E#051%+4-!4T4M34$``````@$)$ $```!H! ``9 0``, '``!,6D9U M/]E&E/\`"@$/`A4"I /D!>L"@P!0$P-4`@!C: K <V5T;C(&``;#`H,R!$8" M`'!P<G$Q( A5![("@S/[!$<3^WT*@ C/"=D"@ J!`PVQ"V!N9S$P,S1!"O1L M:3$T- +1:3XM&=,,T!G3"U42\7,Q-C@*H -@= 60!4!.:>!K(%1A>1;1"T84 M\=$;L2 @=QP".AL/'!2W"H4*CQUH/AY_'!10`:#Y%M @1A;1!Y$>%"!7(3\# M(D\<03X@268@>3T(8" 70 > !M 407=E2&QL+"BA(&0"(">5!4!D! !T"X!G M=00`:&@@=@208@0@`U(@=FX(8 " +B2_)<\FW$*,>2 3H F :6-A'""6+2[P M$? M`,!R:RGA="!A*!!O'! H\"?B=-9R`'$"$'(J\&D%0 N UG0CP# 0(BIB M(BMF+->7+&\;G!R@:"D@<&\$$(YI`F I( 6@;F9U`) _`B $(#60%T P`#<B M=F_::0VP9#%@)\1G%M $$?4P$'<%L&0RCS.?-*P#\.YT*D '0 ,@;R? ,7 $ M(-\UQP> `' IX3C!8P6A*:#_+^$\8#8Q+U$K;SI?'Q\_W]] [QOV-8 $`!X` M: ;P*2#?/& OTD5Q*' %H&T^PS! ^B 6T&<NX0,@,2$]P2CP>4<B;741L$=0 M'( I($[T1TP\P')"?T./&[I'8348T2X=\$D^\0A@9VC_!4 \8"\`*0(HL#<B M!W OTGM'XC 0;B\`"' '0"FR8WM'4!CA/R!?2V=";QVD5],W,TS@22<J8" 1 M\ GP]T7R!"!&!&<2`"G21QM'(;DH\&)U!4!-$@N :U!UM3%P)P0@;@60!Y!S M"L#Z>4S@5S60`Z!-$ # 21'_,! V41C2*/!-$"G "L %0'IB+H!D,. #\"_C M*<!R^TBP3W%E4'5-LT5Q1K$+4/<2`"C +H!S!L '@##01Y-[`' W\'$J$!P@ M1U9,X"IY-8%N*D6162)4$5!U9[L+<3?A<P-P-:$$D'-B$/T<0&E4(5ZR5 `J M\ 1@-R+_3&(UT$@Q31 H<$> 5($#\?\ITE!U&; "0$76-N9>P3<"R2CP860^ MLVER%T J`/\+8 40*= 'D"CP-I%.PCW@W5P2<U!U1^(V@&YB<3;"WS\!6P$W MP"EB!;!I9($\D=LN@!' 9"CP$@!C/X90=;!!;GEW', P<R<W(9]K\4V!`: ( M8#&!=#I7]'M'*4S@0E;Q*1$N\"EB9_YO4'5>LE51/, (<&R!7L#_!" IH `@ M+H K,"G0`R HL.]4% 5 1^)APV(O4$_Q:5;^+&5'21$_!EWA*< H,%ZC_S\" M!/$)X%0A*, H,0(P*U?_4'5-$&(2`B!L0U=#=R]9<O]4U7 D2*1'=%>6)\01 MP%0A_S'!>W0N\!= -H!L4D6@+N#_*D!W<S'"`D `T"I ,<-8</\`( MQ4'4Y M`BCQ@1-4PW=5_#HH1]5AL2JP"L!M'5!U7"TM(XI0=19A`(CP`P`0$ `````# M`!$0`````$ `!S `H!CU>OF]`4 `"# `H!CU>OF]`1X`/0`!````!0```%)% 0.B ``````P`--/TW``!PY/F] ` end