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Re: IPA/CXS questions

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Thursday, December 8, 2005, 6:08
Tristan wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 23:04 -0500, Mark J. Reed wrote: > > On 12/7/05, Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> wrote: > > There's also "reversed epsilon" (CXS [3]) which I at least > > modify with > > circumflex (IPA hook) for the retroflexed _stressed_ vowel of > > bird, hurt et > > al. [3^]. But I'm not sure this is proper CXS. Your [r\=] gets > > the point > > across too. > > > > I thought the CXS for rhotic hook was `, not ^? > > Yes, that's true. ` is a rhotic hook on vowels and a retroflexion > diacritic on consonants. I can't think of what ^ means though
You're right. It could be I was thinking of X-Sampa, plain Sampa or even Kirshenbaum, but I know I've seen it used....and it does look quite like the hook in IPA.
> > Not IMD; "bird" and "encumbered" and "burred" are a three-way perfect > > rhyme. But that way lies YAEPT. > > I don't mean to take you up on the YAEPT, but I am slightly curious---is > it really a perfect rhyme, and the difference in stress doesn't get in > the way? I thought most dialects had the last syllable of "encumbered" > unstressed, and rhyming is usually considered to occur from the last > stressed syllable unwards---thus "encumbered" can normally only rhyme > with two-or-more syllable words.
Agree on that; false rhyme at best.
> > (At this point, Roger wrote and Mark snipped:) > > > One advantage of this system is > > > that for non-rhotic dialects, you simply drop the diacritic ^. > > Not quite true---most transcriptions of non-rhotic dialects mark length, > whereas American English at least is typically written without length > marked, thus /3`/ -> /3:/ and /@`/ -> /@/.
You are correct again. Still, in the normal way of
> writing RP you can always work out from the symbols whether a length > mark should follow or not. (One common way of writing Australian English > doesn't mark length used by frex. the Macquarie Dictionary; it strikes > me as pretty silly because then the only phonetic difference > between /fVs/=[fa_"s] and /fAs/=[fa_":s] is not even mentioned.) >
Umm, what words are these? fuss and farce?

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Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Tristan McLeay <conlang@...>