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Re: eskribiw

From:B. Garcia <madyaas@...>
Date:Thursday, November 25, 2004, 12:33
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:27:13 +0200, Isaac Penzev <isaacp@...> wrote:

> > The point of divergence (is it a coorect term?) is the Battle of >Poitiers.The > Franks won _here_, but _lost_ there. Loire and >Rhone rivers became a kind of > demarkation line. So, not only >the Iberian Peninsula, but Aquitaine and > Provence were under >Muslims for a while. A kind of Reconquista happened in > 9-12th >cc. CE on _those_ lands. Also Basques were able to gain >back some > territories. Catholic rulers had no enough strength >to gain back the whole > Iberian P., since there were no >Charlemagne's Empire. Rome (and Pope) > remained under >Byzantine control, England probably remained faithful to the > >Celtic rite etc. OTOH, Arabs/Moors at first had no strength, >and later no > desire to go further. A kind of equilibrium was > reached in 12th c. CE
Point of divergence is indeed a correct term. Be aware however that while the Moors did attempt to advance into France, they did not however control everything south of the Tours/Poitiers region. There was a good amount left autonomous (more than I had earlier written), pretty much everything north of Leon, Huesca, and Barcelona was autonomous. These are all areas outside of the main trends of Hispano-Romance at the time. They actually allowed these areas to remain outside of their control (probably to their downfall as these areas were where the reconquista began. So i'm not disputing what your plan is, but it's just something to be careful about when describing it. Why would the muslims want all of the iberian peninsula there when here it seems the most northern areas weren't of much interest, even though they took the time to meet Frankish armies in the battle of Tours? -- You can turn away from me but there's nothing that'll keep me here you know And you'll never be the city guy Any more than I'll be hosting The Scooby Show Scooby Show - Belle and Sebastian


Isaac Penzev <isaacp@...>