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Re: CHAT dating the Gospels (was: Languages in Gibson's Passion)

From:Ray Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Sunday, March 14, 2004, 17:44
On Sunday, March 14, 2004, at 01:45 AM, John Cowan wrote:

> Ray Brown scripsit: > >> (I consulted an English translation that, oddly, left it out in Luke). On >> consulting the Greek NT, I find Luke also states that the inscription >> (epigraphe:) was written in Greek, Roman and Hebrew letters (grammasin >> helle:nikois kai rho:maïkois kai hebraïkois) - the only language written >> at that time in Roman letters was Latin. > > The Alexandrian manuscripts (and therefore most modern translations) > omit the specification of the languages in Luke 23:28.
Right - on the assumption that's a later interpolation, possibly a marginal gloss. But it shows that the tradition of three languages is ancient and the gloss - if that is what it is - is not simply copied from John, otherwise we'd get the same order.
>> It's because of possible changes that the synoptic (1st three Gospels) >> There is no good reason to doubt the authorship of Luke's Gospel > > There is very good reason to think that Luke had Mark's Gospel open > in front of him while he was writing,
Yes, I think I've said this. It does seem as tho both Luke and the compiler of Matthew had Mark's earlier account to hand.
> and that he either had access > to Matthew's Gospel, or vice versa, or that both had access to some > common source now lost (the so-called "Q" or "Sayings of Jesus").
I'd have thought it more likely they had a common source ('quelle') - but but add original material of their own.
>> Matthew's Gospel is more problematic as we do not know its author. > > He was surely Jewish, however, and he too was working from Mark's Gospel.
Well, yes, I don't think there's any doubt about that - but a large proportion of the 1st generation Christians were Jewish converts so it doesn't narrow it down so much. If the ancient tradition that Matthew wrote his version of the Gospel in Aramaic is true, I guess the unknown Christian Jew who put the Greek Matthew together was working from the Aramaic Matthew, Mark & 'q' to produce a version of the Gospel for the converts & others in the Jewish Diaspora. The writer of Matthew makes a special point demonstrating, by quoting from the Old Testament, his belief that the scriptures were fulfilled in the person and work of Jesus. Ray =============================================== (home) (work) =============================================== "A mind which thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language." J.G. Hamann, 1760