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Re: Aspirated stops vs. fricatives (was Re: Tit'xka (Pretty Long Post))

From:BP.Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Monday, January 4, 1999, 11:10
At 17:34 on 30.12.1998, Tom Wier wrote:

> > In any event, /t/ intervocalically in most American dialects is a voiced tap, > which in many languages, like Spanish, is an allophone of /r/. In most > American dialects, this does sound like a [d] to some extent, but the fact > that it's still considered an allophone of /t/, and not /d/, is shown by the > fact that people will actually say things like [stVt_hi:] for "study" (as I > have personally heard) when trying to emphasize the fact (though it might > be said that this is just an example of hypercorrection), where the <d> in > 'study' is also a voiced tap. > > (The whole situation is kinda weird to me, in fact.)
What I've found real weird is that the voiced tap that is the intervocalic allophone of /r/ in my Swedish speech doesn't sound right as an intervocalic /t/ to American ears, while a *retroflex flap* does! I tried this because the American intervocalic /t/ sounds just like the Hindi retroflex flap to me, and was very surprised that it worked! (And happy, since the basilect in the area where I grew up has a lateral retroflex flap, and contrasting a retroflex continuant /r/ with a de-lateralized flap comes much easier to me than contrasting it with the tap, which is "a kind of /r/" to me! :) /BP B.Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> ---------------------------------------------------- Solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant! (Tacitus)