Kristian Jensen <kljensen@...> wrote:
> Pablo Flores wrote:
>
> -----<snip>-----
> >My question is: does this seem farfetched? (It does,
> >a bit, to me). Is this used in natlangs? Any other
> >ideas? Suggestions are welcome.
>
> You probably think its farfetched because you're not used to dealing
> with trigger systems, but it looks like a fairly logical extension
> of a trigger system to me. Though I fail to see any serial verbs in
> the construction you have made.
Yes, my idea changed in mid-way. What I wanted to do
was something like "I cut wood use axe", with the series
cut-use, but then I saw this would be differently handled
in a trigger language.
>
> Tagalog might have a similar construction. If I were to say "I cut
> wood with an axe" in Tagalog, I'd normally say something like:
>
> Gumamit ako ng palakol sa pagputol ng kahoy.
> AGT.use TRG.I GEN axe OBL for-cutting GEN wood
> lit.: "I am the user of an axe for the cutting of wood."
>
> or
>
> Palakol ang ginamit ko sa pagputol ng kahoy.
> axe TRG PAT.use GEN.I OBL for-cutting GEN wood
> lit.: "My instrument for the cutting of wood is an axe."
What is _pagputol_ "for cutting"? Is it an inflected form of a
predicate "cut"? I'm guessing _p-agp-utol_ with an infix -agp-
(judging by _pumutol_ below).
[snip]
>
> But in your construction, you're trigger is the cutter of wood as
> the user of an axe. Thus you're construction is not much different
> from the Tagalog construction below:
>
> Ako ang pumutol ng kahoy na gumamit ng palakol
> I TRG AGT.cut GEN wood [ AGT.use GEN axe ]
> lit.: "The cutter of wood who is the user of an axe is me."
>
Almost my way. What is _na_, a subordinate clause marker?
This is more of a serial verb construction than my INSTR.do
because the trigger remains the same.
I guess I didn't see the other possible ways
because I'm not familiar with the system and I tend to put
things into the very rigid limited frames I have. I'm gonna
change that.
Thanks a lot for the examples!
--Pablo Flores
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