Re: Has anyone made a real conlang?

Zesh (Andrew Nowicki )| de, myálodaressedil <andrew@...> réd
2003.04.22. yúwaud e-qi miyiud 02:03:13 +2h:

Waget e-mbeg, first of all, I have to reply your question.
There ARE people around who made a real conlang
(though the term "real conlang" is also a problem, for me, real
lang is the same as natlang. Or if I look at it else, everything is
real that is in existemce, thus there are no "unreal" languages,
whether are we talking about nat- or conlangs)
Look at those old fellows around on the list! Sally, Teoh, Christophe,
etc., just for example. They have not only well-detailed and stable gramar
but a quite okay vocabulary. Andrew, first look around and then pose
that kind of stupid questions. You're NOT alone. There are other people
and some of them greater than you. As Kipling says:
"'There is no one like to me' says the Cub in pride of his earliest kill
 But the Jungle is large and the Cub he is small — let him think and be
still."

> EG> Well, I just checked the file, and my fiancée's
> EG> Ninfeano languages has almost twice that (1797 words).
> All I could find was a web page made of dead links:
> http://www.avenned.com/eamon/ninfeano.html
Perhaps the site has moved elsewhere.

> EG> I think the total number of Talossan vocabulary has
> EG> upwards of 5-digits (10,000 or more??).
> The web page is dead: http://glhetg.talossa.com
Why is it dead? Its links work... Perhaps it moved elsewhere.

> EG> Once again, take a look at the websites and decide for
> EG> yourself. Mau Rauszer's Long Wer is one of my recent favourites!
> LangMaker.com description of this language boasts a
> vocabulary of 2000 words. In fact, the vocabulary has
> only 487 words. By the way, most vocabulary sizes
> listed in LangMaker.com are exaggerated, sometimes by
> several orders of magnitude!
Well I meant the vocabulary existing in my notes, poems and other.
The most basic voc. is even not listed in the dictionary for I put first
the ones I newly create. I don't have enough time to sit down once and
write, write all the words. Thus please don't say words you don't know
much about. Remember: it is the size of the _dictionary_: and not the
language itself. And well, if you look carefully on that 487 words (you had to
practise mathematics while counting all the entries) you will
notice that most entries contain not only one words bt a bunch of
varinats and synonims (yeah, Cats love to use synonims, that could be the
heritage from my mothertongue)

> EG> I respectfully and politely must ask you to consider
> EG> that you've missed the point.  I think to most of us
> EG> these are works of art (Mau's work certainly is, and
> EG> I consider Ninfeano and my own Singala to be works
> EG> of art).  So here we get in to the question of whether
> EG> or not art must be "useful" (a tool) or is it useful
> EG> in itself?  Not prepared to go in to art axiology
> EG> right now, but I must insist that art and personal
> EG> expression are lofty enough aims.  After all, isn't
> EG> that what language is: personal expression?
> Although I enjoy controversial topics, I am not trying
> to offend anyone. I agree that art does not have to be
> useful, but there is a question of what is a language
> and what is merely name of a language. An automobile without
> the engine does not deserve the name of automobile...
Perhaps not trying but DOING! And if I understand your analogy correctly,
then the engine is the GRAMMAR and the words are just
the oil to move with. And you always put petrol into your car as
you never can stop word forming.

> Perhaps there is a need for a new name for something that
> is bigger than an alphabet, smaller than a language, and
> made purely for fun... What about "funlang". Now, how would
> we define a complete funlang? Maybe alphabet + complete
> grammar + vocabulary of 100 to 999 words?
Wel I have to disappoint you. A language is NOT just 1000 words!
Language is philosophy, language is culture, language is all the way
human beings think. Can you think without a language? Qi longad
e-tentit taqenna menan? And in a language you don't know well?
You can create 1000 words like 'antidisestabilismentarian' or
'carburettor'. Perhaps a lang wherein you could write elaborate
technical textes but can't say Mother, I want to go sleep!

> Most wild species are parasites. Humans emulate nature...
Ha! Man IS a parasite! HE kills nature with himself together!
You don't own the Nature, with capital N, you ARE Her part,
you are nothing but a little parasite of more peaceful species
such as bovines and birds.
She cared about you and as She slowly fades you're gonna die with it.

Aurgh! Now I see you're not just an obdurate auxlanger who
simply can't see others' motivations and mind but you're simply
a human, a stupid and liberal human being, with all the human egocntrism,
ú taqe lawe mbeqerusseyo, who is just like the others.
Tintit e-qerusseyo. Thinks like the others.

Qen tintie ntáwiyiyira 'myinna ter. Then I think we two will never understand
each other.
Qen, témaq e-tányoryi. Thus, our argument is for nothing.
Géi. I stop. Uinqétwenye ingoryeq, aya mbepáwe. Forgive me for the flame,
y'all, folks.
--
Mau
Ábrahám Zsófia alias Mau Rauszer
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