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Re: loglang syntax (was: brz, or Plan B revisited (LONG))

From:Jeffrey Jones <jsjonesmiami@...>
Date:Monday, September 26, 2005, 7:04
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:54:58 +0100, R A Brown <ray@...>
wrote:
> >R A Brown wrote: >> Jörg Rhiemeier wrote: >> >>> Hallo! >>> >>> R A Brown wrote: >[snip] >>>> Interestingly, Loglan & Lojban are essentially prefix-order >>> >>> >>> >>> The sketch of Lojban I have here shows an English-like mixfix order: >>> X1 P X2 X3 ... How unelegant. >> >> >> Yes, I believe I was in error about Lojban. I does seem inelegant for a >> loglang. > >Yikes!! It seems I was error about Loglan too! > >I've just been reading some introductory Loglan examples, and I find >{quote} > * Mi vizka. "I see (something) against (something)." or "I see." > * Mi vizka tu. "I see you." > ..... > >If the first argument is missing, the predicate is a command. > > * Vizka mi. "See me!" >{/unquote} > >Maybe senility is setting in, but they look just a tad like English >relexes. How is this meant to test the Sapir-Worf hypothesis?
I think all the lojbanistanis have flown the coop. Having looked through the lojban grammar (but not loglan) quite a while back, I'd say the resemblance is superficial.
>It seems that the argument that precedes the functor is the grammatical >subject and, as Jörg recently (and correctly IMO) observed, terms like >subject & object are not appropriate for a language that is supposed to >be based on predicate-logic. > >I was assuming a rather more Prolog-like syntax would be used.
Some of us don't know what Prolog syntax is like. But if loglan *did* use that type of syntax, it would have to have anticipated Prolog by a good many years, I believe.
> >Have I missed something here? > > >-- >Ray >================================== >ray@carolandray.plus.com >http://www.carolandray.plus.com >================================== >MAKE POVERTY HISTORY >=========================================================================

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Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>
R A Brown <ray@...>