Re: loglang syntax (was: brz, or Plan B revisited (LONG))

R A Brown wrote at 2005-09-26 06:54:58 (+0100)
 > R A Brown wrote:
 > > Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
 > >
 > >> Hallo!
 > >>
 > >> R A Brown wrote:
 > [snip]
 > >>> Interestingly, Loglan & Lojban are essentially prefix-order
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> The sketch of Lojban I have here shows an English-like mixfix order:
 > >> X1 P X2 X3 ...  How unelegant.
 > >
 > >
 > > Yes, I believe I was in error about Lojban. I does seem inelegant for a
 > > loglang.
 >
 > Yikes!! It seems I was error about Loglan too!
 >
 > I've just been reading some introductory Loglan examples, and I find
 > {quote}
 >      * Mi vizka. "I see (something) against (something)." or "I see."
 >      * Mi vizka tu. "I see you."
 >     .....
 >
 > If the first argument is missing, the predicate is a command.
 >
 >      * Vizka mi. "See me!"
 > {/unquote}
 >
 > Maybe senility is setting in, but they look just a tad like English
 > relexes. How is this meant to test the Sapir-Worf hypothesis?
 >

That's very strange.  This is TLI Loglan?  It goes against what I
remember about Lojban syntax, at least.  The lojban equivalent to
"vizka mi", I'm pretty confident, would mean "something sees me/I am
seen".  See how commands are formed here:
http://ptolemy.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less3.html

You should really ask John Cowan, of course.