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Re: Describing the Welsh LL to non-linguists

From:caeruleancentaur <caeruleancentaur@...>
Date:Friday, November 14, 2008, 18:43
> R A Brown <ray@...> wrote:
> {scratches head} Isn't a voiced approximant lateral just plain ol' > [l]?
From my reading of the X-sampa chart, there are three phonemes involved here: /l/ = alveolar lateral approximant. The chart doesn't mention it, but I assume it is voiced. I assume, also that this could be dental, /l_d/. /K/ = voiceless alveolar lateral fricative. This is the Welsh sound in question, right? /K\/ = voiced alveolar lateral fricative. My question is: Can a difference actually be heard between /l/ and /K\/? The consonants in Senjecas consist of 12 pairs of voiced and unvoiced phonemes. Since /l/ is voiced, I have been using /l_0/ for the unvoiced counterpart. Ideally, I use l-stroke for the sound. If that's not available, then <lh>. Would /K/ be equally accurate? Is there a difference between /K/ and /l_0/? Charlie Lord, I hope I wrote all those symbols correctly!

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Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
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