Re: genre (was: Woody or tinny?)
|From:||Roger Mills <romilly@...>|
|Date:||Monday, May 21, 2001, 15:16|
Raymond Brown wrote:
>At 2:21 pm -0400 19/5/01, Oskar Gudlaugsson wrote:
>>As for "genre", I hate it because a) it's one of the few, if not the only,
>>word with an initial /Z/, and b) because it has an /nr/ combination,which>
English words with initial /Z/ are extremely rare, generally uncommon, and
almost always mangled. Ditto for medial and final /Z/ (we discussed
"garage" a while back).
>It does have initial /Z/, but not /nr/, please!
>The word is /Za~R/ - not an unpleasant IMHO.>
True-- if you're speaking French. Also /Za~R@/.
>But the original complaint IIRC was about the varying American
>pronunciations (Brit ones are also odd). I can well imagine that [nr] may
>well appear in them. But then, surely, initial /dZ/ must also occur?
>Here one hears horrors like /ZQnr@/ and /dZQnr@/. Sometimes there's
>attempt at a nasal vowel - but it's almost invariably [Q~] and not the
>French [a~] - most of my fellow countrymen, I regret, habitually fail to
>distinguish between the French _en_ and _on_.
I regret to say that your first horror /ZQnr@/ is my pronunciation, and
likely that of most people who would have occasion to use the word in US
English. Unless I'm being very careful, I too fail to distinguish Fr. /en/
/on/ (and was mortified, when once teaching a linguistics class, to have
been corrected by the two Francophone African students......)
We have, of course, the already acclimated form, "gender".