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Re: sorry Mark Lang...

From:Sally Caves <scaves@...>
Date:Thursday, June 17, 2004, 19:38
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From: "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...>



> SC> One brain fart after the other. Mark, Line, Reed, P. J., whatever!
At any
> SC> rate, it's a great day outside! Let's all go enjoy it! > SC> The apology still stands! > > Heh heh heh. Well, I already posted that I'll be adopting the sobriquet > "Marcos",
Good! Does that mean we get to address you as Marcos, Marcos? :)
> but as to your questions about my conlangs: > > So far I have Okaikiar (http://threeds.org/~mark/conlang/okaikiar,
although I
> think that's slightly out of date), Methkaeki, and Rozhuth. Okaikiar and > Rozhuth have well-developed native writing systems, while Methkaeki so > far exists only in Romanization. However, Rozuth grew out of the > same ideas as Methkaeki, so they're grammatically very similar; > I created R. on a business trip when I was stuck in the hotel room with > time to kill and no Internet access. > > None of them is terribly interesting, I'm afraid.
All conlangs are interesting. CONLANGING is very weird. It doesn't seem so to us, but think of all those blissfully ignorant outsiders.
> Okaikiar is a > highly-inflected language with many cases; the other two are > agglutinating. Boring SOV order. Okaikiar's most distinctive feature > is probably its relative poverty of consonant phonemes, although the > spatial/temporal marker is also perhaps noteworthy.
Alas, your site won't appear when I click on it. "Page Missing." Is my DSL acting up again, or have you mistyped the URL? > I am quite
> proud of its writing system, however original it is or isn't. :)
That's what I wanted to see.
> I'm also fond of Rozhuth's script, too, actually, although it's not > available online yet. It's a backwards abugida
Vocab. check: abugida? abjad? Damn my ignorance of Hebrew/Arabic scripts! Or...
> - the bare consonant > implies a tagalong vowel, but the syllable so reprsented is VC rather > than CV, so the symbol for /b/ represents the syllable /ab/ (unless > marked with a different vowel or the no-vowel mark). It actually > developed that way organically; it started out as a normal abjad, but > putting the vowels on the following rather than preceding consonant fit > the syllable structure better, and /a/ was far and away the most > frequent vowel and I quickly got tired of writing it, so I dropped the > symbol for it. :)
I was very proud of my macroned o, in Teonaht, but it was by far the most common vowel next to a, and when I was faced with webifying my project I had to dispense with it, although it still dominates my printed materials. A little quirk of T. was that "o" would represent the sound /u/, and o + macron the regular /o/. That, along with "u" as /j/ and ht as /T/ were some of the things that I thought added a pleasing irregularity to Teonaht in roman script. Is there anyway, these days, to represent a macron in html? Since the process of producing these characters was so arduous when I learned them in 1998 (still working with html 5)--&otilde;--I thought that it would be best to mark the less frequently occurring character.
> I have also been reading up on the history of the Romance languages to > get up to speed on how they work, so I can develop a plausible new one > as a stepping stone toward my ultimate goal of doing the same thing > starting from PIE instaed of Latin.
Hmmm. You could join Ill Bethisad if you haven't already. That is, I wish to create a
> language that is identifiably IE, yet not part of any of the already known > subfamilies.
That was supposed to be Teonaht, but she is a very hybrid creature, and much about her is not at all IE.
> -Marcos
Sal (in case any other Sally's appear on the list) This is my fifth post, so I'll sign off now.

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