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Re: CHAT: Support/Oppression of Conlanging

From:Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>
Date:Wednesday, June 19, 2002, 17:46
>Except that by your very definition you already don't preserve its original >meaning. I find the definition I learnt just making more sense than the one >you >use. If you want to oppose the regimes of USSR and Germany, use the words >stalinism and nazism, they are perfect for the purpose. But don't equate >nazism >and fascism, they are *not* equal.
I don't think anyone has done that. However, most people will agree that nazism is a _kind of_ fascism (as long as we don't restrict "fascism" to refer solely to Mussolini's regime).
>If we take their pure meanings, fascism >refers *only* to the Italian regime. If we take a larger meaning, I can't >see >why you can include in it nazism, franquism and the Japanese militaristic >regime of that time without including stalinism.
I don't think I've ever seen the Japanese military regime in the 1930s and early 40s ever labled as "fascist". Undoubtedly, there are people who'd claim it was (hey, I know people who think Bill Clinton 's a fascist!), but it's interesting you should introduce it here. Would you call it Fascist? What modern, non-democratic governments would you not call Fascist? (Please don't take those two questions as any kind of insults - I'm genuinely curious how devide this semantic space, and in particular what, in your opinion, is the difference between "fascism" and "totalitarianism".) Andreas _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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