Re: Umberto Eco speaks Volapük!

On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 09:35 , Thomas Leigh wrote:

[snip]

> proceeded, by the light of the first stars, towards the plain, each
> preceded by its own priests and chanting in its own language the Pater
> Noster, with a majestic sonorous effect that had never been heard, not
> even in Rome in a most solemn procession:
>
> Mael nio, kui vai o les zael, aepseno lezai tio mita. Veze lezai tio
> tsaeleda.
>
> O fat obas, kel binol in süs, paisalidumöz nemola. Komönöd monargän ola.
> [sic -- TL]
>
> Pat isel, ka bi ni sielos. Nom al zi bi santed. Klol alzi komi.
>
> O baderus noderus, ki du esso in seluma, fakdade sankadus, hanominanda
> duus, adfenade ha rennanda duus.
>
> Amy Pornio dan chin Orhnio viey, gnayjorhe sai lory, eyfodere sai bagalin,
>  johre dai domion.
>
> Hai coba ggia rild dad, ha babi io sgymta, ha salta io velca..."
>
>
> The first and third also strike me as nineteenth-century conlangs, though
> I don't know if they really are.
They're all conlangs, aren't they?

One can make an attempt at parsing the first five.  The 6th looks rather
different; but, as the others
are almost certainly conlangs (we know the 2nd one is!), I guess the 5th
will prove to be also.
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On Saturday, October 4, 2003, at 10:07 , John Cowan wrote:

> Thomas Leigh scripsit:
[snip]
>> Pat isel, ka bi ni sielos. Nom al zi bi santed. Klol alzi komi.
>
> Spelin, by Georg Bauer (1889), see
> http://www.invisiblelighthouse.com/langlab/bibliography.html
Ah, Spelin - one of the many neo-Volapüks that emerged after the collapse
of the
3rd Volapük Congress in 1889.

The first one looked to me suspiciously like a neo-Volapük and, inspired
by John's
identification of the third, I've tracked down:
Mael nio, kui vai o les zael, aepseno lezai tio mita. Veze lezai tio
tsaeleda.
Spokil, by Adoplhe Charles Antoine Marie Nicolas (1904)

>> O baderus noderus, ki du esso in seluma, fakdade sankadus, hanominanda
>> duus, adfenade ha rennanda duus.
>
> Carporophilus (1734), author pseudonymous.  Google tried to correct this
> one to "O buderus noderus, kidu esso in selma"!
I wonder if the last two are from earlier conlangs.  IIRC the 17th century
saw an outburst of
a_priori conlanging. Could #5 date from that time.  I know Umberto is
knowledgeable about these
early conlangs.

So four have been identified - just two to go.  Can anyone track them down?

Ray
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