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Re: Y not? (was: Of Haa/hhet & other matters)

From:Muke Tever <hotblack@...>
Date:Tuesday, January 25, 2005, 22:50
Henrik Theiling <theiling@...> wrote:
> Hi! > Ray Brown <ray.brown@...> writes: >> No. |Y| was still pronounced [y] in Greek in Claudius' timeand presumably was >> pronounced that way by educated Romans.Claudius' new letter was the for the >> unstressed sound spelled >> |u| by some writers and |i| by others in >> lacruma ~ lacrima >> maxumus ~ maximus >> lubet ~ libet
Ah! I did not know that. Actually, I could have known that, because I read Sihler's _New Comparative Grammar of Greek and Latin_ and he mentions it there (§69b) but I didn't know about the Claudian letters when I read it; most descriptions of them just say it was for spelling Greek upsilon. :p Sihler suggests it was a schwa, which might sensibly assimilate to a 'u' spelling with a following labial. I kind of agree -- given that, to me, half an H is a perfectly sensible way of spelling it (especially given what the Greeks used it for). But that's probably also influenced by my opinion that Latin had a lot more schwas than we give it credit for :p
> Is it a coincidence that this i/u is always in front of labials? > Labials could've changed [i] to [y], then.
No coincidence, that actually is the explanation. Other examples are aurufex ~ aurifex, pontufex ~ pontifex, optumus ~ optimus, etc. *Muke! -- website: http://frath.net/ LiveJournal: http://kohath.livejournal.com/ deviantArt: http://kohath.deviantart.com/ FrathWiki, a conlang and conculture wiki: http://wiki.frath.net/