Re: A really odd language: Tolborese

Ká "H. S. Teoh" bitosh mahilas ne:

>...one of my goals in creating
>Ebisedian was to make it as unconventional as possible,
>yet at the same time as "intuitive" as possible. At least to me. :-P
As I continue to develop Tolborese, its grammar should become more intuitive
to me. One learns a language as one writes it. At present, though, it is
still difficult for me to think in this mode.

>I find that weirder than the fact that Ebisedian's pronouns do not
>distinguish between 2nd and 3rd person. :-P
Really? You find something in Tolborese to be weirder than something in
Ebisedian? ... Victory is MINE! :)

(and quit sticking out your tongue at me)

Agrau si "Thomas R. Wier":

>Well, his system *is* a case system. It marks grammatical
>roles quite explicitly. It just does so in a way quite
>unlike most human languages.
I suppose so. Any noun marked for an agent is a patient; any noun marked for
a patient is an agent. Difficult to mark for any other cases though. For
example, would a noun in the dative -- say, a recipient --be marked for the
agent of the transaction, from which it was receiving the patient, or for
the patient of this transaction as received from the agent? I don't think
I'll go there at all. Other cases will be marked by prepositions (or
postpositions?), and I think I will have these pre(post?)positions take
markers for the class of the noun to which they refer.

>I tend to favor head marking languages, so all my languages
>have verbal cross-reference.
Surely you don't use the same structure for every project! I remember seeing
something like this in that site about the "conlanger's code", where it
asked questions like which kind of phonology or structure you "prefer". As
if one would use the same phonology for every language, or the same
grammatical structure! Well, maybe someone would -- but not me.

Ki ya, Nihil Sum, ekirirmi:

>The "people" and "animals" classes are not entirely correct. I'll
>explain it later. More on these and other noun classes as I make
>them up.
Tolborese, I've decided, was a dead language. In modern times, it was
revived by the Tolborese Independence Movement, which unfortunately was
absorbed into the Tolborese Supremacy Movement, and later took the less
suspicious name the Tolborese Freedom Movement. The old religion was
revived, and the language and religion both suffered many embellishments by
people using them for political ends.
Originally, old Tolborese DID use the bu/wa class for people, and the zi/vi
class for animals. Revived Tolborese, however, uses bu/wa only for the
Tolbors and gods of the reconstructed Tolborese mythology. Other ethnicities
are referred to with zi/vi, like animals.

NS

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