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Re: CHAT: Essentialist Explanation

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Thursday, July 4, 2002, 22:42
En réponse à Pavel Iosad <pavel_iosad@...>:

> > Sadly, yes > > http://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0207&L=gaelic-l&F=&S=&P=420 >
Well, this piece of nonsense actually hurted me so much that I felt obliged to send a message to that person. It went so: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear Mr. Gunn, I don't know you, but you don't know me either and yet you felt that you had the right to judge me and spread your sickening prejudice to the world, so I guess it's just fair that I answer your accusations. In a message from Wednesday 3rd of July to the Gaelic language bulletin board you sent the following message: "In case anyone feels my reaction to Eamon Graham's msg was out of step with the carefully innocent tone of his, I must advise our members that that he belongs to a ConLang group (mostly based in the US, who cannibalize native languages to construct new ones, which they call their own, and which can be and have been used for ciphering purposes, serving political interests far removed from those of the natives whose cultures were raided to make them). I would ask our members _not_ to collaborate with members of such groups, and I had hoped, until now, that our groups had escaped their unwanted attentions.:-(" I never saw in my whole life such an amount of stupid and untrue prejudice except on texts released by some extreme right organisations. But hoping that only ignorance rather than malevolence made you say such things, I decided to write to you in order to make things a little clearer on what really conlanging is about. Maybe next time you will think before making such disgusting assumptions on a group of people you don't know. The world suffers enough already of such a behaviour, so it would be really bad to add more of it... First, the assumption that conlangers are "mostly based in the US". Well, sorry to say so, but as a French man living in the Netherlands and knowing the list from the inside, I know that it is absolutely false! Conlangers are to be found in many countries and many cultures, and the apparent importance of the English- speaking part comes only from the fact that the list itself is English speaking and that as the richest country in the world, it's just normal that most people having an Internet connection and time enough to participate in such a discussion group are to be found in the US. Second, this accusation of "cannibalising native languages to construct new ones". Well, I don't even understand this assumption. It's like saying that architects cannibalise the Pantheon when they take it as an inspiration for their own constructions. I'd rather take it as honoring it than cannibalising it. If some languages are disappearing, it's certainly not the fault of a group of people who make a hobby of inventing languages! I can't even imagine how that would be possible! Moreover, most conlangers don't base their languages on existing ones, at least not consciously, and thus cannot even be accused of cannibalising anything! The reference to "ciphering" has brought some light on your assumptions. It seems you confuse conlangers, who just happen to have a hobby of constructing languages (so what? Is it that worse than collecting stamps or constructing model planes which will never leave the ground?) with the military people who used a simplified version of Navajo as war code during WWII. Well, let me make something clear: conlangers have NOTHING to do with the American Army or any other army in the world, nor with any governmental group, secret service or anything of the kind. You can find conlangers within any class, gender, ethnic group, sexual orientation, nationality, culture, religion, etc... as you want. They make languages for their own fun, without intending anything else than sometimes sharing their hobby with a few people, most often keeping it secret, at worst using it as a secret language to write their personal diary or school notes! I don't see anything political in that. The people you seem to be referring to were no conlangers. They were soldiers who came up with the idea of using a not well known language as war code. You may not like the idea (I personally find it a good idea. On the other hand, the behaviour of the American government towards the Navajos and other Natives I find impossible to forgive, just like I can't accept the behaviour of the French government towards the Breton, Basque and Corsican nationalities. And if you had really wondered who we were, you would have found out that most conlangers are rather trying to protect minorities rather than destroy them. Or at least their personal opinions go in that sense). Conlanging is something else. Whether it is a craft, an art, or whatever you want to call it, it has no other goal than itself! I am not creating languages in order to provide a secret code to some malevolent governmental organisation. I'm creating languages because I like that, just like people paint for fun, or play music, or write poetry, etc... This is no more than that (and anyway, a government who wants to use one of my languages as a code would have a hard time using them, knowing that no language of mine has more than a few hundred words in its lexicon! :)) ). So, before attacking a group of people you know nothing about, try to learn what they are really doing before attacking them on grounds that have nothing to do with them! You may like or dislike the idea of constructing own languages, but please don't attack conlangers using this kind of prejudice. Nobody needs this kind of unfair treatment. Now I wish I had made myself clearer, but English is not my native language, and often, especially when I become emotional, words don't come out as easily as they should. Note also that I'm part of a minority myself, and I left France partly because I couldn't lead my life as I wanted there. So you will understand that I cannot accept being treated that way for what is just a harmless hobby. I just hope that it is really only ignorance that made you talk this way, and that now that you know a little better the subject, you will less virulent against people who do nothing except sharing their thoughts and works on their hobby. Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, this message is not good enough in my opinion, but I was so emotional that it is the best I could write. I don't expect it to have much effect, but at least I'm at peace with myself, knowing that I've tried. I'm taking Rousseau's hypothesis that man is basically good and that it was mere ignorance which made this person talk this way. I'm probably wrong, but at least I've tried... Christophe. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.

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