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Re: Irrealis and if-clauses in Rinya

From:jesse stephen bangs <jaspax@...>
Date:Monday, November 20, 2000, 20:13
Carlos Thompson sikayal:

> Daniel Andreasson wabbe > > > 2. Discovery one led to discovery two. If-clauses have been > > a problem since it's kinda boring to have just a word 'if' > > and a word 'then'. But when I discovered the irrealis mood, > > I also discovered a better way of doing if-clauses. Like this: > [examples snipped] > > Thus, the if-clause is expressed by present + irrealis and > > the then-clause is expressed by future + irrealis. What do > > you think?
I like it. Nice and logical, but not boring. In Yivríndil, the then-clause must be in the irrealis mood, while the if-clause can be in the indicative or irrealis. If the if-clause is in the irrealis mood it indicates a hypothetical. Tense is completely free, so a wide variety of variations can be expressed, some of them nonsensical. For example: Lan al rodurnyal lai rofainyata. "If I had died, I would not be here." BUT Lan al durnyal lai rofainyata "If I died, I am not here." That last one's grammatical in Yivríndil and possibly in English, but is semantically weird in both of them.
> Two kind of conditionals is as Spanish has it ("si" = if; "entonces" = > then): > "si" + indicative, "entonces" + indicative > or > "si" + subjunctive, "entonces" + conditional > > The second one is an "hipotetical" conditional, while the first shows > a cause-effect relationship. This could be made in Biwa as: > interrogative + indicative (either positive or negative) > irrealis + contidional.
This is quite similar to Yivríndil, although not on purpose. Jesse S. Bangs "It is of the new things that men tire--of fashions and proposals and improvements and change. It is the old things that startle and intoxicate. It is the old things that are young." -G.K. Chesterton _The Napoleon of Notting Hill_