Re: PIE *tk^ (was Re: Nostratic (was Re: Schwebeablaut (was Re: tolkien?)))

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:28:34 +0100, Jörg Rhiemeier
<joerg_rhiemeier@...> wrote:
>> No... *tk^eH1- "gain control, erwerben" and *tk^ey- "dwell" are full
>> roots, with separate o- and zero-grades (*tkoy-mo- > Gmc *haimaz 'home',
>> *tk^ey- > Ved kṣéti "dwells", *tki-teH2- > Gk κÏ?ίÏ?ηÏ,).
>>
>> And where does the full grade of *H2r=tk^os "bear" go?
>
> There is Hittite _hartagga_.
There is, narrowly, |har-ta-ak-ga-aš|, (it might be ha-ar- instead of
har-, I cant find a solid source to check) which could AIUI just as easily
be trying for /hartkas/ or something like it.  How many times is this word
attested?

>> The voiced version of *tk^, (*dhg^h) also appears in full roots,
>> *dhg^hem-
>> "earth",
>
> The form *dheg^hom- also exists.
As far as I can find, the only form requiring a *dheg^hom- is also
Hittite: |te-(e-)kan|, |tak-na-(a-)aš| gen.  I understand it is unique in
its *dheg^hm= / *dhg^hm- treatment of this root.

>>      *dhg^hu:- "fish", *dhg^hes- "yesterday".
>
> Any way, the assumption that *tk^, *dg^ and *dhg^h are single phonemes
> is to be rejected.
I wouldnt say they are single phonemes any more than *sn- or *ghr- or *mr-
are.  But they are basic clusters that dont get broken up by the
morphology (or at least become so after Anatolian breaks off) which is
slightly unusual as most (all?) other such clusters include sonorants.


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