Re: The letter j\

At 1:23 pm -0700 19/4/02, Frank George Valoczy wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, David Peterson wrote:
>
>>     My Hungarian book has /S/ and /Z/, and then the two palatal stops...
>> This one /j\/ isn't a voiced, palatal stop, but a voiced, palatal fricative.
>> Anyway, as per the palatal stop to alveo-palatal affricate change, it's well
>> documented.  As for Hungarian, we're just going to have to wait and see.  ;)
>
>Well, what I can say now is that Hungarian "gy" (I don't know the
>IPA/SAMPA offhand...voiced palatal stop)
[J\]

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At 3:32 pm -0400 19/4/02, David Peterson wrote:
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>This one /j\/ isn't a voiced, palatal stop, but a voiced, palatal fricative.
Yep, [j\] is the voiced equivalent of German ich-laut.  IME the Spanish /j/
is often pronounced this way, at least by Spanish speakers from Spain (I
don't know about Latin American varieties).  I'd be suprised if any
language had /j\/ and /j/ as separate phonemes.

While /J\/ might be pretty stable in many languages, I think David is right
in thinking that /j\/ isn't.

Ray.


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