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Re: Phonology/orthography sketch

From:Lars Mathiesen <thorinn@...>
Date:Friday, May 30, 2008, 10:51
2008/5/30, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>:
> Från: Lars Mathiesen <thorinn@...> > > What happens if you have both /i/ and a rounded > > vowel next to these approximants? Do you get > > [iju] or [iHu], [uwi] or [uHi], and so on? > > It could only be [uHi]/[uj\_wi]
Where [j\_w] is the neutralization of the voiced fricatives... and [S_w] for the unvoiced allophone before unvoiced obstruents? Spelled _u_ as well, I guess, since those are the natural outcomes of the //y// archiphoneme in that sort of position.
> > Are there any contexts where this could cause > > the difference between //i// and //w// to be > > neutralized? > > Oh yes, that would be the rule.
That would be very naughty if //y// didn't happen to be there.
> > (If /y/ would trigger [w] > [H] like /i/ does, > > we'd have tuut [tHyt] for both //tu"yt// and > > //ti"yt//, and maybe tuut [tyHt] for //t"yut// > > and //t"yit//). > > Right on all counts; I forgot to mention that. > Thanks for reminding me!
Except that we should get unvoiced fricatives before the /t/, so make that [tHyt] and [tyS_wt]. Still both spelled _tuut_, of course.
> Come to think of it is probably the case that > there exists underlying juxtavocalic //y//, [...]
I was just going to ask about that... see above for my conclusions.
> > Lars > > Gott att se dig här igen!
Gott att se att du fortfarande är här! Lars (now living in Sigtuna, Sweden, but posting through a very old account)