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Re: Meyadhew

From:Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>
Date:Friday, January 31, 2003, 0:06
Mau Rauszer wrote:
> C1: animals (man included) > C2: natural powers (eg. water, fire), gods, body parts and plants >(animate nouns in a less concrete sense) > C3: inanimate objects (eg. knife) (which don't fit any other category) > C4: abstract concepts (eg. love) (which don't fit any other category) > C5: collective or plural-by-meaning nouns > C6: places > C7: time concepts > C8: actions (which don't fit any other cathegory) > C9: qualities (which don't fit any other cathegory) > C10: emotions (which don't fit any other cathegory)
Interesting divisions. What does the fifth category mean?
> 2. In Meyadhew, an inflecting-fusional-agglutinating language, there > is a required particle (called Main Particle abbr. P) which is > somewhat like a copula:: the various forms of lú (the acute accents > are used here instead of macrons which i can't write in iso-8859-2) > > This expresses the time and various circumstances of the sentence, > as well as the speaker's relations to the information (I want, I hope, > I know, I've seen...).
I would consider this "particle" to be an auxiliary.
> 3. The action is expressed by the _verbal noun_ abbr. V which is the > noun denoting the concept of the action. To this connect the verbal > prefix which expresses the mood of the _action itself_ (this can be > active, passive and stative)
Active, Passive, and stative are voices, not moods.
> 5. But the matter is, that Meyadhew has 5 cases, > > ablative > dative > genitive > stative > possessive > > the genitive is not the usual genitive but a "general adverbial case", > which is also the basic form of the noun. > The stative is being used for adverbs describing circumstances of the > action. > The possessive is the latin genitive case.
Why not call your "genitive" "adverbial" and your "possessive" "genitive"?
> We have two cases that both can denote the main and the verbal adverb in a sentence. > When the action comes from the main adverb and points towards the verbal adverb, > (the main adverb is the source and the verbal one is the target) > then M is in ablative, V is in dative. But this can be the opposite too, > since it basically depends on the _meaning_ of the action.
So, basically for some verbs, the subject is ablative and the object dative while for others it's the opposite?
> And for every sentence you should put the M and V in the right case even for > actions like "eat" where it is hard to tell which is the source an the target. > > for "eat", the eater is in dative because is *receives* energy, food for the eaten and > the eaten one is in ablative since it is the source of the food.
So, for a verb like "hit" it would be the other way around, the hitter in ablative and the hittee in dative?
> 6. And you should stronly agree with the nouns: the Particle agrees > with the Main Adverb by a prefix, the verbal noun agrees with the > Verbal Adverb if there is one or with the Main Adverb too if there > aren't any.
Interesting. So, agreement is separate from nominal inflection? -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42