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Nyuu Romaji WAS: Re: A BrSc a? & Nyuu Romaji

From:nicole perrin <nicole_eap@...>
Date:Saturday, April 20, 2002, 21:52
Levi Tooker wrote:

>--- J Y S Czhang <czhang23@A...> wrote: >> Vocalic "r" is indicated by R, so TO "ruler" and >> "earth" are represented by >> RUULR and RTH. In "r"-less dialects of English, A >> and AA may be used in place >> of (unstressed and stressed, respectively) vocalic >> "r", so TO "ruler" and >> "earth" may optionally be represented by RUULA and >> AATH. > >Here is a hole in the scheme: If American stressed >vocalic "r" is represented by AA in non-rhotic >accents, the words "father" FAADHA and "further" >FAADHA become orthographically the same despite >distinct pronunciations, as do "Balmer" BAAMA and >"Burma" BAAMA (yes, I know it's MIIAENMAR now :), and >I bet there are other examples. > >And if "AR" is represented by AA to, then "farther" >joins the group of words represented by FAADHA!
Well, first of all, I most definitely don't pronounce "further" and "farther" the same, according to Nyuu Romaji they would be FRTHR and FAARTHR and non-Rhotic friends and relatives of mine definitely use different vowels for them too. But my main problem was with Zhang's original explanatory message (sorry, I lost it) where he gives several alternative spellings but gives the only spelling for "alms" as AAMZ -- not that the vowel changes for me, a North American, but I say AALMZ just as I say PAALM -- are those also acceptable variations? Is anything an acceptable variation as long as someone says it? (Even the name, at least the one used for the subject of this thread, could be pronounced differently -- and I suspect would be in most of North America, i.e. I know very few North Americans other than myself who would say NYUU as opposed to NUU) And another thing: using R for both consonantal and syllabic sounds could create ambiguities between words that are not (for some?) homophones: sear and seer, for example, would both be SIR. Not that I think it is a *bad* scheme, per se. It's a tough job, though, because while some differences in vowels will always occur in some environments (SHAANT vs SHAENT) there are other differences that are unique to certain words and certain people, with little rhyme or reason, that make it difficult to allow just any "acceptable spelling" for a given word... nicole PS -- what does "C" represent? And what about voiceless w? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more