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Re: Hebrew in all its Allophonic Majesty (was: IPA question)

From:Dan Sulani <dnsulani@...>
Date:Sunday, June 23, 2002, 4:41
On 21, June Pavel Iosad wrote:


> [Steg:] > > > > Standard Modern Israeli Hebrew: > > > > pronounces /r/ as a velar approximant > > [Myself:] > > > In one variety only (probably Ashkenaz, but I may be wrong here), > > > the other has an alveolar trill or flap. > > [Steg:] > > I was under the impression that that was considered the prescriptive > > 'standard'. > > Well, broadly, there are two standards anyway. >
IME, the "standard" Israeli Hebrew that is supposed to be "correct" has the alveolar trill/flap (it's a short trill). However, most people, in common speech, use the velar approximant. Regarding pharyngeal sounds, 'ayin and Het, many Israelis, especially those originating from Arabic-speaking countries, still pronounce them. In fact, when teaching kids how to produce a velar |r|, I usually start from the unvoiced velar approximant and add voicing. I can usually get away with referring to the unvoiced approximant as |Het|, since most of my clients don't pronounce pharyngeals and thus don't differentiate between |Het| and |chaf| (or |ayin| and |aleph|, for that matter). But, many of my clients come from families which _do_ maintain those distinctions. With them, I must be careful to refer to the velar approximant only as |chaf|, because for them, |Het| is another sound altogether! Dan Sulani ----------------------------------------------------- likehsna rtem zuv tikuhnuh auag inuvuz vaka'a A word is an awesome thing.