Re: Westphalian vs. Winterwijks (Was: German+Hungarian question)

Yes, but Dutch is mother language, and Low Saxon my mother dialect!
(And, btw, Flemish my mother's language)

Btw in Twente Low Saxon, just North of Winterswijk/Achterhoek, <kuiern>
["k2y@n] is the word for to talk... In Dutch <kuieren> ["k9y@r@] means to
walk or to stroll.

Good gaon!

Ingmar

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:27:34 +0200, Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
wrote:

>> An attempt:
>
>Very good!  So Winterwijks has the word 'butz' (in some variation) and
>'dal' for 'down'.  'kuiern' for 'to speak' is very local, I think.  I
>think it still existed in Old High German or even Middle High German,
>I forget which, but most modern languages seem to have dropped it.
>
>Very interesting comparison. :-)
>
>**Henrik
>Hi!
>
>Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder@...> writes:
>> Whoa, that is really hard core Westphalian, with all those diphthongs.
>
>:-)
>
>> The whole sound system seems to be mutated, it's not so easy to get at
>> first sight. Very interesting, very exotic, very nice!
>
>And unfortunately, very dead. :-<
>
>> I would guess that this is a dialect from a mountainous, wooded and
>> somewhat remote country, completely outside the mainstream of Low Saxon.
>
>Haha! :-)  So I'm from the end of the world...
>
>For a precise location: my grandma was from Hoyel, Kreis Melle.  When
>looking at the map, you'll see that that's actually in Lower Saxony,
>not in Eastwestfalia, though it's only 10km from where she then moved
>and to where I grew up, too.  The dialect is much more closely related
>to the (East-)Westfalian dialects than to typical Lower Saxony
>dialects.  And Osnabrück is typically classified as having Westphalian
>dialect, too.  I don't know how the classification is done precisely,
>though.
>
>Anyway, I once stumbled on a book about 'Eastphalian' dialect and was
>surprised to see that the diphthong system was so close to that of my
>grandma's that I immediately bought the book.  And not only the
>diphthongs are similar, but the whole language.  I had no problems
>understanding every word of the sample texts.  Anyway, some texts on
>the Internet about Eastphalian describe a totally alien language, so
>someone has a misclassification/misnomer there -- those just can't be
>about the same thing.
>
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