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Re: Westphalian vs. Winterwijks (Was: German+Hungarian question)

From:Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder@...>
Date:Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 16:33
Yes, but Dutch is mother language, and Low Saxon my mother dialect!
(And, btw, Flemish my mother's language)

Btw in Twente Low Saxon, just North of Winterswijk/Achterhoek, <kuiern>
["k2y@n] is the word for to talk... In Dutch <kuieren> ["k9y@r@] means to
walk or to stroll.

Good gaon!


On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:27:34 +0200, Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>

>> An attempt: > >Very good! So Winterwijks has the word 'butz' (in some variation) and >'dal' for 'down'. 'kuiern' for 'to speak' is very local, I think. I >think it still existed in Old High German or even Middle High German, >I forget which, but most modern languages seem to have dropped it. > >Very interesting comparison. :-) > >**Henrik
>Hi! > >Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder@...> writes: >> Whoa, that is really hard core Westphalian, with all those diphthongs. > >:-) > >> The whole sound system seems to be mutated, it's not so easy to get at >> first sight. Very interesting, very exotic, very nice! > >And unfortunately, very dead. :-< > >> I would guess that this is a dialect from a mountainous, wooded and >> somewhat remote country, completely outside the mainstream of Low Saxon. > >Haha! :-) So I'm from the end of the world... > >For a precise location: my grandma was from Hoyel, Kreis Melle. When >looking at the map, you'll see that that's actually in Lower Saxony, >not in Eastwestfalia, though it's only 10km from where she then moved >and to where I grew up, too. The dialect is much more closely related >to the (East-)Westfalian dialects than to typical Lower Saxony >dialects. And Osnabrück is typically classified as having Westphalian >dialect, too. I don't know how the classification is done precisely, >though. > >Anyway, I once stumbled on a book about 'Eastphalian' dialect and was >surprised to see that the diphthong system was so close to that of my >grandma's that I immediately bought the book. And not only the >diphthongs are similar, but the whole language. I had no problems >understanding every word of the sample texts. Anyway, some texts on >the Internet about Eastphalian describe a totally alien language, so >someone has a misclassification/misnomer there -- those just can't be >about the same thing. >