Re: Westphalian vs. Winterwijks (Was: German+Hungarian question)
|From:||Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder@...>|
|Date:||Wednesday, September 7, 2005, 16:33|
Yes, but Dutch is mother language, and Low Saxon my mother dialect!
(And, btw, Flemish my mother's language)
Btw in Twente Low Saxon, just North of Winterswijk/Achterhoek, <kuiern>
["k2y@n] is the word for to talk... In Dutch <kuieren> ["k9y@r@] means to
walk or to stroll.
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:27:34 +0200, Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
>> An attempt:
>Very good! So Winterwijks has the word 'butz' (in some variation) and
>'dal' for 'down'. 'kuiern' for 'to speak' is very local, I think. I
>think it still existed in Old High German or even Middle High German,
>I forget which, but most modern languages seem to have dropped it.
>Very interesting comparison. :-)
>Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder@...> writes:
>> Whoa, that is really hard core Westphalian, with all those diphthongs.
>> The whole sound system seems to be mutated, it's not so easy to get at
>> first sight. Very interesting, very exotic, very nice!
>And unfortunately, very dead. :-<
>> I would guess that this is a dialect from a mountainous, wooded and
>> somewhat remote country, completely outside the mainstream of Low Saxon.
>Haha! :-) So I'm from the end of the world...
>For a precise location: my grandma was from Hoyel, Kreis Melle. When
>looking at the map, you'll see that that's actually in Lower Saxony,
>not in Eastwestfalia, though it's only 10km from where she then moved
>and to where I grew up, too. The dialect is much more closely related
>to the (East-)Westfalian dialects than to typical Lower Saxony
>dialects. And Osnabrück is typically classified as having Westphalian
>dialect, too. I don't know how the classification is done precisely,
>Anyway, I once stumbled on a book about 'Eastphalian' dialect and was
>surprised to see that the diphthong system was so close to that of my
>grandma's that I immediately bought the book. And not only the
>diphthongs are similar, but the whole language. I had no problems
>understanding every word of the sample texts. Anyway, some texts on
>the Internet about Eastphalian describe a totally alien language, so
>someone has a misclassification/misnomer there -- those just can't be
>about the same thing.