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Re: new conlang - " *aiinodbus' "

From:Tamas Racsko <tracsko@...>
Date:Wednesday, September 22, 2004, 11:00
On 22 Sep 2004 Rodlox <Rodlox@HOT...> wrote:

> phoneme pronounciation: > gh
Your original specification for |gh| was >>like "GHent" in Holland<<. AFAIK it is phonetically /G/, i.e. voiced velar fricative. However in this case, your phoneme inventory is slighly unbalanced, since |kh| is defined as /X/, that is unvoiced _uvular_ fricative. If balancedness matters, you may consider all-uvular solution (|gh| = /R/ and [kh| = /X/) or all-velar one (|gh| = /G/ and [kh| = /x/).
> o (like "cOt" & "Octopus")
Every time I make a statement on English phonology, I burn my fingers because of the confutations of various English 'lects :)) I do not know whether I dare to assign a phonetical value /Q/.
> u (like "tUt & "bUnk") [U\] ?
See previous comment. It is usually transcribed as /V/ but I was told that it is rather a historical notation than phonetically correct one. I suppose it is near /6/. ([U\] is much more close and rounded.)
> I [I] or [I\]
Your orginal definition >>like "tIn" & "pIn"<< implies /I/. /I\/ has back characteristics in a binary classification. The symmetry says that /I/ is a better choice because in this case you have two front vowels |i| and |a| for two back ones |o| and |u|.
> ii (like "sIght" and "strIve")
/aI/, I presume.
> a (like "bAt" & "cAn")
Its usual transcription is /{/ in X-SAMPA or /&/ in CXS. But I was told that some pronounce it a bit closer as it were /E/.
> d [d] (? [d'] or [d_<] ?)
Implosive /d_</ would be an off-system sound (since |b| is not /b_</). IMHO [d'] could be a possible (dialectal) allophone for |dy| /dz\/. To reach a maximum phonematical contrast, I would prefer /d/ (even in dental [d_d] variation).
> n [n] or [N\]
IMHO if a dento-alveolar stop /d/ exists, there should be also a dento-alveolar nasal /n/ in the system.
> h [h] (?) [h\] or [H\] ?)
It could be a solution to enable allophonic representations for /h/, e.g. [h\] intervocalically, [H\] at the end of the words (to avoid omission) and [h] otherwise.

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