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Re: The Glyphica Arcana

From:Jefferson Wilson <jeffwilson63@...>
Date:Friday, December 16, 2005, 0:56
Jim Henry wrote:
> On 12/15/05, Jefferson Wilson <jeffwilson63@...> wrote: > >>If the intent of the sentence is to show that Cecil is >>experiencing sleep, then the name "Cecil" would be marked as an >>indirect object with "sleep" as a verb. (At one point I called > > _Indirect_ object! Interesting. A number of languages > use the same case for at least some objects > of transitive verbs and subjects of intransitive verbs, > but I don't know if there are any natlangs that > use the indirect object case for subjects > of intransitive verbs. Neat. > >>this 'indirect voice.' That is, a verb and indirect object making >>a complete sentence.) However, if the intent of the sentence is >>to show that Cecil is performing the activity of sleep, "Cecil" >>would be marked as subject. "Cecil" might also be marked as a >>direct object, indicating that "sleep" is being imposed. >>("Taking the medication, Cecil sleeps.") > > So the "subject" is always some entity taking > deliberate action?
Hmmm, no. In "net catches fish" "net" is still the subject.
> Maybe it should be called > the "agent" case instead.
Well, strictly speaking, the GA doesn't have case. I use the term 'distinction' for the markers for subject, verb, object, descriptor, and subordinator. Secondary markers distinguish past and future verbs, indirect and direct objects, and the like. (See: It might be appropriate to change it to "source" instead of subject, but I don't know if that's clearer, and am reluctant to change all my documentation at this point. -- Jefferson