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Re: grammatical cases & semantic roles (was: ergative/accusative)

From:Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>
Date:Tuesday, January 30, 2007, 19:49
Hallo!

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:13:23 +0000, R A Brown wrote:

> Jörg Rhiemeier wrote: > > Hallo! > > > > [use of "focus" in Austronesian grammar] > > I know - what I think is best called the 'subject' - and IMO that the > use of 'focus' by some in Austronesian linguistics is also unhelpful (as > is IMO the 'trigger' terminology as well), but we've discussed this many > times before on this list.
Just what I think about it. It is best called "subject". The whole shebang is nothing else than an elaborate system of verb voices.
> > But that isn't what Morneau means, either.) > > It certainly isn't. He's added a a third use of the term.
Yes. And that's unfortunate.
> [...] > > > AND what is especially wrong in Rye's article is to call an intransitive > > subject an "experiencer". Intransitive subjects can be just about > > anything, and experiencers are not typically intransitive subjects > > - the archetypical experiencer is the subject of a verb of perception > > or emotion; some of these verbs are intransitive, others not. > > I agree on all points. There is actually a lot one could criticize on > the page, but I don't think it's worth wasting time or bandwidth on it.
Except that this error has propagated like bushfire. ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf