Re: case-marked experiencer

le mer 10-07-2002 à 07:57, David Peterson a écrit :

>     Not a natural language, but one I created, has a system like this.  The
> difference lies not in the subject, though, but the object.  So you can
> have...
>
> ani ajuheni viZa.
> /1sg. ACC.-DEF.-rabbit see-PRES./
> "I look at the rabbit."
>     Both the verb and object are marked as non-experiencers, the object with
> the prefix /a-/, and the verb with the suffix /-a/.  Thus, rather than "to
> see", you get "to look at", which is more of an action which is performed by
> the subject, rather than just something that happens to the subject whether
> they like it or not.
>
> ani ujuheni viZu.
> /1sg. ACC.EXP.-DEF.-rabbit see-PRES.EXP./
> "I see the rabbit."
>     Now the verb and direct object take experiencer tags, the object the /u-/
> prefix, and the verb the /-u/ suffix.  This way you indicate that the subject
> merely experienced the sensation of sight on account of the rabbit, though
> s/he may have had no active part in the experience (and the rabbit may not
> have had a patientive part in the experience, either).
>
> -David
That sounds nice. I have an idea which is something similar (although
not indicated on the predicate) :
on matni okna
(i)I+NOM look+PRES+1SG you+ACC > I look at you

on matni oki
(ii)I+NOM look+PRES+1SG you+GEN > I see you

A glosis for (ii) could be "I experience seeing from you". I'm not fixed
with this yet but it could be one solution to avoid an experiencer case,
as my goal is to get finally something that sounds naturalistic.

Thank you

Julien