Re: YADPT (D=Dutch)

Quoting Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>:

> At 16:11 9.11.2003, Andreas Johansson wrote:
>
> >In my book, [tv] and [tv\] are both abominable clusters, but then I've
> heard
> >the Dutch consistently voice their voiced stops, so what can you expect? :)
>
> Wha-at? Is [tv\_0o:] somehow **worse** than the [t_h3v\o:]
> so prevalent among young Swedish females?  The latter is
> every bit as abominous as the [t_h3r\e:] heard from the
> same general direction.  And it's not just these words!
I'm not exactly clear what you're getting at - I've not badmouthed [tv\_0].

I do maintain that [tv\] is abominous. What's more, it's inherently abominous,
while [t_h3v\o:] and [t_h3r\e:] are only abominous on account of being
screamingly wrong.

                                                  Andreas

PS of course, "tre" is properly [t_d_hr\`e:]. No alveolars, please!