USAGE: Kristian on Adrian's vowel disorder (was: RE: [i:]=[ij]?

And Rosta wrote:
>Kristian Jensen wrote:
>>Adrian Morgan wrote:
>>>I listen to more British speech than American. Can you offer
>>>the British pronunciations of these phonemes?
>>
>>There are several dialects alone in the British Isles, so I'm
>>assuming you mean RP English. I'll have to rely on my own textbooks
>>for this though. According to them, the RP English pronunciations
>>of these phonemes are:
>>
>>     Phoneme     RP English
>>       /u/          [u:]
>>       /U/          [U]
>>       /o/          [@U]
>
>[u] for /u/ except before /l/ sounds very posh, old-fashioned and actory
>(= 'Conservative RP'). Better is [u-].
Aha!! This explains why Adrian doesn't hear the difference between
Australian and British /u/. My source was written as an intro to
linguistics and may therefore have left out certain subtleties in its
transcription of RP English vowels.

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In another post Adrian Morgan wrote:
>And Rosta wrote:
>>Kristian Jensen wrote:
>>>Hmmm... now I'm really having doubts as to whats
>>>happening before /l/. I need to hear my Brisbane pals
>>>again. I suspect your [w:] is really [u-:]. This
>>>actually makes more sense now that I think about it. If
>>>/l/ has that effect of erasing the [y] glide of long /u/,
>>>then [u-y] becomes [u-:] before /l/.
>>
>> I agree.
>
><sigh>
>
>Hereby totally contradicting And's previous post where he
>suggested that /u/ in _moon_ might be [u-].
>
>NSW school = [skywl], SA school = [skw=l]
>
>(assuming [y] for /u/).
I'm more convinced now than ever before that Adrian's [w=] is really
[u-:]. Evidence is from And's description of RP English /u/ combined
with Adrian's assertian that there is no difference between RP English
/u/ and Australian /u/ before /l/. I don't think And was contradicting
his own earlier suggestion here at all. Its also important to note that
[u-], being a central vowel, is prone to have front or back variants.
The difference between NSW and SA pronounciation of "school" is more or
less expected.

-kristian- 8)