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Re: OT: Artlanging is now mainstream

From:Aidan Grey <taalenmaple@...>
Date:Friday, February 20, 2009, 1:18
Yes, it IS phonemic. Fear / veer.

From: Garth Wallace <gwalla@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:27:58 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Artlanging is now mainstream

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...> wrote:
> Voice isn't phonemic in English fricatives? That seems something of > an overstatement. Not many minimal pairs ("duff" vs "dove", maybe?), > but "off" with a "v" sounds more like "of" than "off" (either way with > an accent, of course): my brain seems to assume vowel variance first > and consonant second. > I also assume affricates are not included, as there are plenty of > minimal pairs there... (badge/batch...)
Affricates pattern as plosives in English, AIUI. I think voice is phonemic in English fricatives, but there's a lot of neutralization. (Oh god, I think this of all threads just turned into YAEPT)