Re: OT: Artlanging is now mainstream
| From: | Aidan Grey <taalenmaple@...> |
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| Date: | Friday, February 20, 2009, 1:18 |
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Yes, it IS phonemic. Fear / veer.
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From: Garth Wallace <gwalla@...>
To: CONLANG@listserv.brown.edu
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:27:58 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Artlanging is now mainstream
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...> wrote:
> Voice isn't phonemic in English fricatives? That seems something of
> an overstatement. Not many minimal pairs ("duff" vs "dove", maybe?),
> but "off" with a "v" sounds more like "of" than "off" (either way with
> an accent, of course): my brain seems to assume vowel variance first
> and consonant second.
> I also assume affricates are not included, as there are plenty of
> minimal pairs there... (badge/batch...)
Affricates pattern as plosives in English, AIUI.
I think voice is phonemic in English fricatives, but there's a lot of
neutralization.
(Oh god, I think this of all threads just turned into YAEPT)