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Re: Fictional auxlangs as artlangs (was Re: Poll)

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 12:52
Hm.  Wouldn't you have to raise a child as a monolingual Loglan (vel
sim) speaker in order to have a valid test of Sapir-Whorf?



On 12/16/08, R A Brown <ray@...> wrote:
> Philip Newton wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 19:01, deinx nxtxr <deinx.nxtxr@...> >> wrote: >>>> [snip] >>>>>> Even Sindarin or Quenya could be >>>>>> expanded to serve as an auxlang if UN so wished it (now there's >>> an >>>>>> interesting alternative history ;) >>>>> I have seen such proposals at least for Quenya. >>>> That doesn't surprise me one bit. >>> Me neither given that Klingon has been brought up too. The only >>> problem with these are they are artistic creations so not really >>> designed to be easy to learn and use. >> >> Heh. Wasn't Klingon even specifically designed to be "unnatural" from >> the point of view of "common" Earth languages? (For example, in having >> odd gaps in its phoneme grid, and an unusual word order; possibly >> other things, too.) > > So was Loglan and, hence, Lojban :) > > James Cooke Brown's wanted to create a language that would be > _different_ from "common" earth languages! The idea was to see if a > language with a different structure from normal natlangs would influence > thought (which is what the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis says it should do) - > so he choose clausal form logic as a model. > > Nevertheless, despite its 'innaturalness' many people do seriously > propose Lojban as an auxlang. It seems unnaturalness is not per_se a > hindrance to the advocacy of a language as an auxlang. Indeed, SolReSol, > which had quite a vogue at one time, doesn't exactly conform to the > 'natural' mold :) > > -- > Ray > ================================== > http://www.carolandray.plus.com > ================================== > Frustra fit per plura quod potest > fieri per pauciora. > [William of Ockham] >
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