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Big 6, Moser's Acadon, _e mi Caos Pidgin_ [was Re: Bigbabytalk -a primitive language for AI

From:Jonathan Chang <zhang2323@...>
Date:Sunday, September 10, 2000, 7:28
In a message dated 2000:09:09 9:43:51 PM, dawier@YAHOO.COM quotes me then

>> I feel the same way - in a fashion,... that's why I am making >> Caos Pidgin >> based on Italo-Spanish-like lexifying. > > Italian and Spanish at least have better phonemic spellings than > >English > >& is IMHO more appealling aesthetically to my sensibilities.
>I agree. And this sounds a lot like my Big Six project, which I may >end up abandoning since, well, I'm just not interested anymore; I've >grown very cynical about IAL's. I still prefer the idea of a "global >pidgin", and I know there are already better projects much further in >development than my Big Six. >
Aw ... I'd like to see what you did do in Big 6, just outta curiosity. & I am not fond of IALs like I was when I was into Glosa (about 3-5 yrs ago). After reading more on languages, I realized how idealistically unreal the whole idea becomes. Unfortunately, it seems like the use of English & mutations thereof will become become more & more common (I blame the spread of the English virus mainly on the current "prestige," socio-economic power & Pop Culture mass media ...)
>Leo Moser, a member of AUXLANG (at least when I was there), has a >database of words from the major languages. I forgot what it's called, >"World Vocabulary" or something? Or am I thinking of Bislama? >
Acadon, I believe.
>Now, explain what Chaos Pidgin is if you don't mind... >
Caos Pidgin is mainly: * a ConLang for my own self-education into pidgin/creole linguistics (& linguistics in general) * a creative experiment of creating a poetic ConLang that pays _hommage_ to both the Italian Futurists and to the elliptical language/syntax of Taoist-influenced Classical Chinese poetry (as well as much contemporary poetry influenced by the Futurists and Dadaists) * a deliberate appropriation/use/abuse of a lot of sound-symbolism (onomatopoeia) * an attempt to create a paraculturalist language - to shape a language around a different set of cultural paradigms (i.e. _musica_ - a culturally-loaded word - is in Caos Pidgin, but _soni-creazi_ <sound-creation> & _neo-creazi-lila_ <new-creation-divineplay> are in the Caos Pidgin paraculturalist paradigm... also words like _astronomia_ & _geologia_ are re-cast in a more "precise," noun-compound like _cosmo-cienza_ <cosmos-science> & _ Gaia-cienza_ <Gaia-science>... etcetra...) * an aesthetic creation with an "applied science fiction attitude" I chose mostly Italian and Spanish roots for Caos Pidgin for the reasons above besides the fact that they are 2 of the most phonemic languages in EuroAmerican sphere. Words that have no equivalent in Italian or Spanish will come from certain other languages (esp'ly Japanese onomatopoeia _PiCaCHu_, Japanese words concerning aesthetic qualities - _sabi_ and _wabi_ and certain modified Sanskrit words _lila_). I am trying to make Caos Pidgin a simple pidgin/creole-like language to use, but with an extremely expanded/expandable lexicon. czHANg << One thing foreigners, computers, & poets have in common is that they make unexpected linguistic associations. >> * Jasia Reichardt - creative cyberneticist * "It would be ironic if the answer to Babel were pidgin and not Pentecost." - George Steiner, _After Babel: Aspects of Language & Translation_