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Re: Saying "Thank you."

From:BP Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Monday, August 27, 2001, 10:30
At 19:18 2001-08-26 +0000, Lars Henrik Mathiesen wrote:

>In fact, I think it is Swedish that has defricativization of >intervocalic [D] --- compare Icelandic faþir ["faDir], Swedish fader >["fAdEr], Danish fader ["f{DQ], if I got that right.
No, Swedish lost /D/ and /Q/, i.e. they merged with zero, _fadher_ [fA:D@r] becoming [fA:r] (also spelled _far_), _godh_ [gu:D] > [gu:], _dagh_ [dA:Q] > [dA:] and so on. Later (19th century) pedantic middle-class pronunciation "reintroduced" plosive [d] and [g] from the spelling, where the _h_ of the old digraphs _dh_ and _gh_ had (alas!) meanwhile been dropped. At the end of the 19th century an educationalist wrote that "to write as one speaks is uneducated, and to speak as one writes is half-educated." As an enduring monument to the Swedes' sheep mentality and willing surrender to real and imagined authorities -- in this case the belief that spelling should determine correct pronunciation rather than the other way around -- half-education won the day... Cf. Norwegian where the last letter of _god_ amd _dag_ still is silent. /BP 8^)> -- B.Philip Jonsson mailto:bpX@netg.se (delete X) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__ A h-ammen ledin i phith! \ \ __ ____ ____ _____________ ____ __ __ __ / / \ \/___ \\__ \ /___ _____/\ \\__ \\ \ \ \\ \ / / / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / / / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /Melarokko\_ // /__/ // /__/ / /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine __ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\ Gwaedhvenn Angeliniel\ \______/ /a/ /_h-adar Merthol naun ~~~~~~~~~Kuinondil~~~\________/~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~ || Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda kuivie aiya! || "A coincidence, as we say in Middle-Earth" (JRR Tolkien)