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Re: THEORY: Case systems and Ergativity

From:Paul Bennett <paul.bennett@...>
Date:Wednesday, December 1, 1999, 16:38
Tom Wier wrote:

>Recently, I've been wondering something about the case >system I've been building for Phaleran, which is a split >ergative system. The question centers around my "diergative" >case, which is the case for the subject of ditransitive verbs, >verbs requiring two objects: what would motivate the >creation of such a case? >So, what do y'all think? Does any of this make any sense?
Well, if you're looking for natlang precedents for your system, I can't think of any. I know of no languages which treat ditransitive and transitive verbs differently with regard to subject case-marking. <<<<<< Natlang examples are certainly scarce. I haven't found any, either. AFMCL: Meynian lang uses (I think) the same system which I described (erroneously, as it turns out) as "a mixed dechticaetative/ergative system". It works like this, with the standard word order shown: Intransitive: The man(S) walks(V) VS (S in case 1. V inflected with a separate marker) Transitive: The man(S) sees(V) the dog(O) SVO (S in case 2, O in case 1. V inflected for S) Ditransitive: The man(S) fills(V) the bucket(O) with water(I) SIVO (S in case 3, I in case 2, O in case 1. V inflected for I) Subjectless Passive: (???) The dog(O) is seen(V) VO (O in case 4. V inflected with a separate marker) Subjectless Passive Ditransitive: (???) The bucket(O) is filled with water(I) IVO (I in case 2, O in case 4. V inflected with a separate marker) Self-Transitive/Reflexive: The man(S) sees(V) himself(*O) VS (S in case 4. V inflected for S) Self-Ditransitive(?)/Indirect Reflexive: (???) The man(S) paints(V) himself(*O) with blood(I) IVS (S in case 4, I in case 2. Verb inflected for I) The case names that I use are currently under a bit of a re-think (I like "diergative" for case 3, btw), but as they stand at the moment they're: 1 Absolute 2 Ergative 3 Volitive 4 Passive ************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. *************************************************************