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Re: Swedish pronunciation [was: Futurese]

From:daniel andreasson <danielandreasson@...>
Date:Tuesday, May 7, 2002, 17:43
Thomas Leigh:

> I've wondered about this. I've studied Swedish a bit, and in the > textbooks they always give /S/ for words like sjö, sjuk, stjärna,
> as well as the ending -tion. And this is how the speakers on the tapes > (for those textbooks which come with tapes) pronounce it as well. Yet > every Swede I've actually met has said /x/. I've wondered how
> that pronunciation really is, and why the textbooks never tell you
> it. It seems a curious sound change -- I wonder how it occurred. Also, > it sounds to my ear that where the textbooks say you should say /ç/ > (köpa, tjuv, etc.) the Swedes I've met have all said /S/.
The 'proper' pronunciation of |sj| |stj| etc. is the "simultaneous [S] and [x]" plus it should be labialized. To my ears, this sounds more like [s`] than [S], but I guess [S] is easier for anglophones. (And how on earth are you supposed to pronounce [S] and [x] at the same time!?) If you prononce |sj| like this, you're either gay (of the feminine kind) or from Norrland (the north of Sweden) or from a 50's black and white movie. I pronounce it [M\_0] (which is probably what the voiceless velar approximant would be with x-sampa), but apparently some people have [x] as well. I don't know how this change came to be. Regarding |tj| as in |tjej| 'girl' and |k| as in |kina| 'China', its 'proper' pronunciation is [s\], an alveolo-palatal fricative (I think). You say [S] but place the tip of your tongue against the back of your lower teeth. (I think they have this phoneme in Chinese as well.). It is definitely *not* [C] as in German. Most younger people use [S] though, afaict. I think your teach-yourself tapes are either very old or very normative. In any case, start saying [x] and [S] instead of [S] and [C]. :) ||| daniel -- danielandreasson @ |